Mclaren might be in the poo big time [ANCIENT THREAD REVIVAL]
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There's a suprise!
No, no, I'm sure McLaren aren't going to be like that and deliberately nerf Alonso. I'm sure.
*snicker*
Evidence please or stop saying it.
Everyone see Max on ITV4 confirming that it was Ron who approached him about the driver emails. Alonso had threatened Ron after an argument in Hungary that he had more information. Ron said if he did have more info then he should hand it over to the FIA. Ron then called Max and Max wrote to the drivers.......the rest, as they say, is history
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Just as I was starting to like Alonso, he gets himself in to this mess. I can't believe that to all intents and purposes he actually tried to blackmail Ron Dennis
. Very disappointed.
Max is a bit of a simpleton isn't he - at least when in the public eye. He makes the situation sound so simple but it isn't. Why does he call Ron a liar when clearly Ron was just as confused as he was about it all.
Shocking that he goes on TV and is damaging McLaren's reputation even further. You'd think the FIA would be professional about this but they just aren't.
Shocking that he goes on TV and is damaging McLaren's reputation even further. You'd think the FIA would be professional about this but they just aren't.
It will be amazing if they give Alonso 100% support for the rest of the season, hes got a 3 yr contract, if mclaren want rid of him they will have to pay up in full, he wont want to leave as he will lose a big wedge. A tricky situation indeed.
Id just make lewis the no1 driver, and give Alonso a poor package and make him pay, a bit like putting someone in the reserves.
Id just make lewis the no1 driver, and give Alonso a poor package and make him pay, a bit like putting someone in the reserves.
MM is a politician but the internet screws that
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Depends if they find him in breach of his contract or not, if he is then the don't have to pay for the rest of his term.
In response the DannyJo22's continued speculation that FA and PDLR haven't been sacked because more people are implicated consider this.....
The verdict was only given on thursday, the FIA released a synopsis of the events yesterday and there is a £50million fine payable in 3 months. Given that the preparations for a GP start on thursday, Ron's diary has been rather full and it would be a pretty rash call to sack a driver so soon. I have no doubt whatsoever that McLaren's lawyers are carefully considering every possible legal avenue. I would hope that FA and PDLR are sacked at the end of the season for gross misconduct and they bring Paffett in to partner Hamilton.
Furthermore, Coughlan is still suspended rather than sacked. I presume this is to prevent him seeking employment elsewhere and taking McLaren/Ferrari
secrets with him.
The verdict was only given on thursday, the FIA released a synopsis of the events yesterday and there is a £50million fine payable in 3 months. Given that the preparations for a GP start on thursday, Ron's diary has been rather full and it would be a pretty rash call to sack a driver so soon. I have no doubt whatsoever that McLaren's lawyers are carefully considering every possible legal avenue. I would hope that FA and PDLR are sacked at the end of the season for gross misconduct and they bring Paffett in to partner Hamilton.
Furthermore, Coughlan is still suspended rather than sacked. I presume this is to prevent him seeking employment elsewhere and taking McLaren/Ferrari
secrets with him.Indeed. You could see just how angry and upset Ron was about that challenge on his integrity.
I don't believe he knew quite how deeply his people were landing the team in the **** until very recently. And certainly, when he talked with Max at the Hungarian GP he thought he was telling the whole truth. Time for a serious look at his team, I reckon. First port of call - fire Alonso, for being a ****.
So why hasn't Ferrari been heavily penalised for Stepney's role in all of this then?
As ever with the FIA, it's one rule for Ferrari and one for everyone else. Max and Bernie have both publicly stated that the WMSC were seriously close to banning McLaren from this and next year's championships. That would never, ever have been seriously considered if the team's roles had been reversed.
As for the Spanish sponsors throwing a hissy fit if Alonso was sacked, I'm not so sure. If his role in all of this was fully detailed and McLaren publicly sacked him for gross misconduct, I doubt any sponsors (Spanish or otherwise) would want to be associated with him at all. Leaving McLaren shortly after they sack Alonso would simply show the world that they sympathise with the cheating scum.
As has been said, if what he's done doesn't qualify as gross misconduct then god knows what does tbh!
McLaren could sack him in an instant for his actions with no legal comeback whatosever. It's sponsors and image issues that will make them thing twice, if anything.
Ron is a guy who views his reputation above all else (including his team). Mosley's comments today are designed to further upset the apple cart.
Tbh its brought some things that happened earlier this season into context. Alonso was/is trying to use it to his advantage though, however, what team or will honestly want him after this affair. He may still get one or two big Spanish sponsors but most teams arent going to look favourably on him. Maybe he'll leave F1 and go to champ car, you never know.
What still amazes me is that two engineers from different teams have managed to create so much of a circus in F1 this season. If both teams were run properly none of this would have happened. Brawn left a hole at Ferrari that Stepney was far too keen to fill, Todt should have kicked him out sooner. And as for McLaren, you think Ron could have dealt better with Alonso's hissy fit considering the drivers he's looked after over the years.
When you have comments like this:
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Tbh its brought some things that happened earlier this season into context. Alonso was/is trying to use it to his advantage though, however, what team or will honestly want him after this affair. He may still get one or two big Spanish sponsors but most teams arent going to look favourably on him. Maybe he'll leave F1 and go to champ car, you never know
.What still amazes me is that two engineers from different teams have managed to create so much of a circus in F1 this season. If both teams were run properly none of this would have happened. Brawn left a hole at Ferrari that Stepney was far too keen to fill, Todt should have kicked him out sooner. And as for McLaren, you think Ron could have dealt better with Alonso's hissy fit considering the drivers he's looked after over the years.
When you have comments like this:
can you blame me
.Totally agree. To me it sounds like Ron has got his hands tied otherwise I think he would have sacked Alonso possibly several races ago. I really hope Alonso gets what is coming to him.
I thought he almost did with that spin in qually
Damn. His uppance will come!
Sorry but as a non-Ferrari or McLaren fan then what you say there is just ludicrous. FIA acts against Ferrari all the time, Their floor this year, their wings last year, the points system changed, the one tyre rule, the engine freeze, the testing ban, all designed primarily to dent Ferrari's domination at the top. Just as they have done before, banning active suspension to stop Williams etc McLaren hold just about the same sort of political weight that Ferrari do with the FIA, comments like yours just show ignorance to the sport these days, long gone are the days of Ferrari threatening to leave and getting their own way, the rest no longer stand for it.
Had McLaren done the honest thing right from the start then they would not have been in any trouble at all, but they never, the FIA has to act in this case, they have made the 2007 season a complete farce due to lying and sneaking about behind the backs of their rivals and the FIA, after reading the full evidence and hearing Max today then I think they got away with it quite lightly. You really think this sort of thing is to favour Ferrari?
How come Ferrari went 18 years without a title and never got any help from the FIA? Even when Enzo was pulling their strings.
