Vegetarian Weightlifter's diet....

[MrSix]

They weigh up to and over a ton m8, im a big guy but ill tell you what without weapons the cow would deffo win, if it was a bull id want a very big gun.

LOL - as amusing as this train of conversation is, can we make a new thread for it, such as "Humans vs. XXXXXX" then get people's opinions on what they could beat then

Back on track, anybody have any vegetarian protein suggestions?

 

[Volcs]

Pretty good article for you: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/vegetarian-bodybuilding.aspx

 

[benjo plz.]

Depends how strict you are and how the whey is produced I suppose, since normal whey is produced using rennet from cows stomachs then probably not but then it is a byproduct of the meat process so perhaps more justifiable since no additional animals are being killed for it - I'm not entirely sure since it wasn't something I'd given much consideration to before. I vaguely think that you can produce the enzymes artificially to break down milk to produce whey but it is more expensive, I'd need to research more to be sure.

Depends on the whey origin, you don't see mars bars etc with "not suitable for vegetarians" on them .

 

[semi-pro waster]

Depends on the whey origin, you don't see mars bars etc with "not suitable for vegetarians" on them .

I think you just condensed my longer post into one line there.

 

[MrSix]

Pretty good article for you: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/vegetarian-bodybuilding.aspx

That's fantastic, it actually apears to be less hassle maintaining a vegetarian protein diet than a meat one, due to not having to prepare endless amounts of chicken, tuna, red meat etc.

 

[Sic]

Depends on the whey origin, you don't see mars bars etc with "not suitable for vegetarians" on them .

that's because they are suitable for vegetarians

MrSix, what sort of thing would you have eaten for a meal when you were dieting after christmas? I'm looking to lose some weight, but seeing as I'm responsible for all my food intake now, it's kinda difficult to know what to make! I'm very picky about what I eat, so any chance of a few meal examples? I have no idea what has protein/carbs in it, so examples for thickies would be greatly appreciated

 

[MrSix]

Okay, here's a few:

Carb meals:
- Wholemeal Pasta in a tomato sauce
- Jacket Potato with baked beans (they contain protein and carbs, but are considered "neutral") and a big salad.

Protein meals:
- (veggie) Eggs, bacon, sausages and beans
- Cheese salad
- Quorn burger with salad
- Tofu in a vegetable stir fry

Then I ate loads of fruit (I'm talking three or four apples and the same number of bananas) and drank plenty of water.
I also stopped drinking alcohol for 6 months, which wasn't a big deal for me as I wasn't a huge drinker anyway, however I have since gone back to drinking every now and again and it really makes no difference - You'll only put on weight from drinking if you're drinking every day of the week or drinking lots on a regular basis.

I also did a lot of cardio work, I train 3 times a week (martial arts) anyway, but I also started running twice a week too.

 

[benjo plz.]

that's because they are suitable for vegetarians

Only just .

 

[furnace]

Only just .

They were only non-veggie for 6 days though

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

Only just .

now i can understand not eating meat itself, but i thought not eating animal products was veganism? Surely most veggies eat eggs, milk etc?

 

[Chong Warrior]

now i can understand not eating meat itself, but i thought not eating animal products was veganism?

No that's called silly and unhealthy

 

[furnace]

now i can understand not eating meat itself, but i thought not eating animal products was veganism? Surely most veggies eat eggs, milk etc?

Beware this could fast turn in to a veggie-moral based thread so I think ya should start a new thread in GD if you need to discuss more, but:

(it's "quoted" because it feels less like I'm diverting the thread topic this way! if you want to know about Vegetarian Weightlifter's diet; read on / ignore )

Egg and Milk are very different to the stomach lining of a cow or gelatine. You can get eggs and milk without killing or harming an animal, hence most veggies eat milk and eggs. But a lot of veggies won't eat gelatine or whey.

There are of course moral issues such as "but eggs could turn in to a chicken if you let it" and "a cow needs a child before it gives milk, what happens to its calf?" etc., but that's each to their own opinion. I choose to be ignorant about the fact a calf was born - as far as I'm concerned, I'm still not eating a dead cow. As far as eggs go, two things; I'm pro-abortion. It's as much of a chicken as a human cell is a person. Secondly, presuming the egg isn't fertilised, it would never have been a chicken anyway.

I think a vegan won't eat anything that isn't a plant or plant produce. But a vegetarian will. Some "vegetarians" do eat gelatine, whey from cows, etc., but really there's no sense in it. I know a cow isn't primarily killed for its whey, but the fact is it is from a dead cow - a cow had to be killed for it. Unlike milk.

So yeah, I won't debate or anything unless it's in another thread 'cos this could be a good thread if it's kept on-topic But there you go! That's why eggs and milk are different to whey and gelatine (in my opinion, anyway).

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

Ill Quote too so as not to get in the way either but....

eggs that you buy are not potential chickens or abortions, they are ovulations, ie periods but for chickens. However i see your point about not killing animals for milk and eggs. It does however raise the interesting issue of "byproducts such as enzymes are a small subsidiary of the bigger meat industry and from a moral standpoint, until meat consumption drops there is no drop in animal death rate. Unused subsidiary produce like the aformentioned stomach enzymes, would only go to waste. Thus in refusing to eat meat you are already having your 'effect' on the industry morally and any use of whey or gelatin etc is simply the use of available produce, no cows are killed soley to subsidise these industries." - End

 

[MrSix]

Guys, please?

How to eat more "good" protein as a veggie?!

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

hasnt it been said?

Eggs are great
Milk is great
Whey is veggie if you check the label
Quorn has protein

What more could you want.

 

[MrSix]

Spose

My new diet currently looks like this (basically this is what I ate today):

10am: 2 hard boiled eggs and two slices of wholemeal bread

12pm: 2 slices of wholemeal toast with cottage cheese, one banana and one apple.

2pm: 1/2 scoop Express Whey, a boiled egg and a banana.

5pm: 1/2 scoop Express Whey, an apple and a banana.

8pm: Quorn pasty, homefries and baked beans with 2 slices of wholemeal bread.

That's on a stay at home day where I can have what I like, I also couldn't train today because I had to wait in for a bloody delivery which didn't arrive.

On a training day I would have 1/2 scoop Express Whey and a banana as a pre-workout meal, then a full scoop of Express Whey as a post workout meal, followed by dinner a couple of hours later.

On days that I'm at uni, I'm going to buy some protein bars and take a couple of boiled eggs with me as protein snacks in between main meals. I'll also take some Express Whey in a shaker to have before I go to the gym in the afternoon.

Be reassessing my diet, I would estimate that I'm now consuming three times as much protein as I was previously and so hopefully that should be what I need to do to see some more substancial gains. I've also started taking creatine again and so I'm currently in the loading phase.

I'll keep you posted as to how it goes.

 

[benjo plz.]

quark and options before bed.

 

[Chong Warrior]

That's such a poor diet, I don't know where to start!

Out of interest are you vegetarian for health reasons? becasue there's some serious irony here if the answer is yes lol

No veggies (from a veggie! ) not enough fats, too much bread.

I'd recommend you introduce nuts and seeds into your diet. Also do you use vitamin supplements? I no longer use them myself but I think it's definately something vegetarians should consider, espeically ones with poorly planned diets like yourself. Also would you consdier an Omega-3 supplement? I mean are fish oil off the menu? Shame if they are but you could also consider flaxseed powder.

Yoghurts and cheese are also good sources of fat and protein aswell as being extremely good for the digestive sytem. Just don't go for the crap low-fat, no-fat yoghurts, go for a natural Bio-Live like Yeo Valley or Rachels, both are easily found in most supermarkets

 

[MrSix]

That's such a poor diet, I don't know where to start!

That's one day's diet, today, not what I eat each and every day.

Out of interest are you vegetarian for health reasons? becasue there's some serious irony here if the answer is yes lol

No it's not the reason I'm vegetarian.

No veggies (from a veggie! ) not enough fats, too much bread.

Yesterday I had broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower and carrots in one meal and a large salad in the other.

I'd recommend you introduce nuts and seeds into your diet. Also do you use vitamin supplements? I no longer use them myself but I think it's definately something vegetarians should consider, espeically ones with poorly planned diets like yourself. Also would you consdier an Omega-3 supplement? I mean are fish oil off the menu? Shame if they are but you could also consider flaxseed powder.

I was thinking about nuts and seeds, but haven't looked in to which are the best (taste wise and nutrient wise).
I wouldn't be prepared to take fish oil, but I did used to take flaxseed oil, however I couldn't stomach it...powder sounds better though?

Yoghurts and cheese are also good sources of fat and protein aswell as being extremely good for the digestive sytem. Just don't go for the crap low-fat, no-fat yoghurts, go for a natural Bio-Live like Yeo Valley or Rachels, both are easily found in most supermarkets

I have a danone active probiotic every morning and I do eat yoghurt quite regularly. As for cheese, I normally have cheese in my salads (which I normally have with every meal, just not today!) and I would have it melted on top of a quorn burger for example, so that is also in my diet.

As I said, I only listed what I ate today as an indication of the increase in protein in my diet. Today wasn't a typical day and tomorrow's meals are looking completely different...

Breakfast: Porridge or Crunchy nut cornflakes, half a scoop of Express Whey, a probiotic yoghurt and fruit juice

11am: Boiled egg, 2x fruit, handful of nuts

Lunch: Salad sandwich with Quorn chicken style slices and cheese, pot of celery a yoghurt and 2x fruit.

Pre workout: 1/2 scoop Express Whey and banana

Post workout: 1 scoop express whey

Dinner: Jacket potato, cottage cheese, large salad with cheese and quorn, fruit.

Before bed: Yoghurt and fruit.

 

[Ultra_Extreme]

high cals, whats your bodyweight?