100Gb Blue Ray to work on PS3

Every PS3 developer would swap the Blu-ray for a custom DVD limited to 4Gbs even. Media storage space is not a real concern.

lol, what are you smoking?

2x Blu-ray = ~9MB/s
12x DVD = ~16MB/s (peak)

Blu-ray throughput is a consistent 9MB/s throughout the entire disc, unlike DVD where the peak (~16MB/s) is mainly theoretical and the average speed is generally lower.

So the PS3 is a few MB/s slower but lets not forget it has a mandatory hard drive which can be used as a cache/virtual memory if required and without the constant deafening noise in the background.

Also, to say "Media storage space is not a real concern." is a joke in itself considering some PS2 games were pushing the DVD9 barrier, especially when you realise 360 discs can only store 7GB of game data max.
 
Yep it uses about 70 Meg at the moment (decreases in each update mind) 360 is 32 Meg AFAIK, but im not a maths wiz but 512-70 is a bit more than 160 mb ;)


System memory is only 256Mb because the PS3 does not have a unified memory architecture. 256mB can be used for gfx (textures, frame buffer, etc).

256-70 + 186Mb
originally the memory footprint of the OS was 93Mb... + ~160mb of useable system ram for a game.



Now, even a very bloated Windows system will have more than 186Mb of free system memory.
 
You have just proved your own post wrong lol - If the 512mb of the X360 isnt enough - doesnt mean at all that 1gb plus is necessary (not everything HAS to be in RAM at once - thats why good caching is used)

Exactly, but what caching can you do on the Xbox360 when you cannot guarantee a hard disk.

And you cannot use the DVD or Blu-ray as a cache source if you wan the game to be playable..
 
lol, what are you smoking?

2x Blu-ray = ~9MB/s
12x DVD = ~16MB/s (peak)

Blu-ray throughput is a consistent 9MB/s throughout the entire disc, unlike DVD where the peak (~16MB/s) is mainly theoretical and the average speed is generally lower.

So the PS3 is a few MB/s slower but lets not forget it has a mandatory hard drive which can be used as a cache/virtual memory if required and without the constant deafening noise in the background.

Also, to say "Media storage space is not a real concern." is a joke in itself considering some PS2 games were pushing the DVD9 barrier, especially when you realise 360 discs can only store 7GB of game data max.

You ahve completely missed the point. I don't care about the read speed of Blu-ray vs DVD9. My point was that developers would rather have more system and gfx memory than larger media discs. They would rather put up with a custom 4Gb DVD standard and have 2GB of unified memory rather than 100Gb Blue-ray.

Blu-ray allows developrs to be lazy with game data and compression, and to bundle multiple different languages on a single disc.

IF developers get pushed for space on DVD9 then they can invest more time in better compression.

Have you seen the 64Kb gfx demos. 64KB has to include all sound, gfx, music, 3d data, sound liary, gfx libaray, every bit of logic and component.

Procedurally generated textures, sounds, anmations and 3D data is a massively under used concept. John Carmack though is pushing in this direction.

Even standard compression techniques can have some big used. Look at Jpegs. You can get a 10-1 compression without noticing the difference at all (a la, your pictures from your digi cam). The exact same algortithm is not suitable for game textures due to blending issues, but similar algortihms can be employed leading to more robust compress textutures with a 7:1 compression ratio.


You guys are all forgetting what developers did to fit games onto the N64 cartidges. Games on the PS1 that came on a Cd fitted into 32Mb cartridges.
 
So copying a load of folders over to a dvd isn't going to copy over any viruses that might be hidden in said folders?

A virus can't damage any of the data on a dvd as it's read only, but it could wipe all the data from a hdd. And with blu-rays scratch protection, it's very difficult to accidentally scratch them, plus you can have hundreds of backups because they will be so cheap anyway.
 
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A virus can't damage any of the data on a dvd, but it could wipe all the data from a hdd.

ALso, I'm pretty sure when people backup, they backup specifics. at least I do, I wouldn't be wasting space on viruses.



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When you said you used hard drives as a backup, as far as I'm concerned, Give me a solid DVD backup any day of the week. That way it's just upto you to look after your DVDs.
 
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