Trans fat - should be banned?

[Glaucus]

Can you prove that? Beyond all doubt?

No but then everything gives you cancer nowadays, even veg seems to have side effects.

To scientists best knowledge Aspartamine is safe. It's also a hell of a lot safer than sugar.

 

[One More Solo]

Weren't the studies that found Aspartame to be safe funded by Coca-Cola?

 

[SK07]

True unhealthy, but then again they say everything is bad for you this or that will give you cancer etc, yawn.

In all honesty it's optional, people don't HAVE to eat it, they are not FORCED. If your going to ban that you might as well ban cigarettes, alcohol, guns, knifes, everything.

 

[Glaucus]

In all honesty it's optional, people don't HAVE to eat it, they are not FORCED. If your going to ban that you might as well ban cigarettes, alcohol, guns, knifes, everything.

Exactly my thought, we do not need to be wrapped up all safe. It shouldn't even be part of the governments agenda. We should be warned and at most suitable labelling should be included nothing more.

 

[Gilly]

No

Sorry, I wasn't arguing the effects of aspartame. I have no real opinion either way, but he made a brash statement and I wanted him to back it up For my own knowledge as well as to further the discussion.

 

[Glaucus]

Sorry, I wasn't arguing the effects of aspartame. I have no real opinion either way, but he made a brash statement and I wanted him to back it up For my own knowledge as well as to further the discussion.

fair enough , but current studies show it to be perfectly safe, but thats not to say in the future it wont be.
I doubt coca cola funded all of them, there's been many studies. People love to hate it for some reason. Yet we do know excess sugar is very bad.

Not only does it destabilise you blood sugar levels and thus gives you cravings(read very addictive), it can lead to numerous conditions.

 

[geeza]

no. fat people should be taxed who eat over a certain amount of junk food each week

 

[twistedheat]

Exactly my thought, we do not need to be wrapped up all safe. It shouldn't even be part of the governments agenda. We should be warned and at most suitable labelling should be included nothing more.

Labels should indeed be more transparent, and there should be a database (online would be easiest to implement) were people can check/read up on the possible health warnings on ingredients, especially E-numbers.

 

[Glaucus]

no. fat people should be taxed who eat over a certain amount of junk food each week

We already do. More food = More tax.

 

[twistedheat]

no. fat people should be taxed who eat over a certain amount of junk food each week

I don't remember where it was, or what it was for, or if indeed it wasn't just a joke but the idea was to tax people according to their weight/bodyfat percentage. I laughed at the time.

 

[Gilly]

To be fair labelling of food has improved massively of late.

 

[geeza]

I don't remember where it was, or what it was for, or if indeed it wasn't just a joke but the idea was to tax people according to their weight/bodyfat percentage. I laughed at the time.

Its stupid to do that as rugby players for example weigh a lot but i doubt they will get a heart problem like people that are 20 stones of fat.

 

[twistedheat]

Its stupid to do that as rugby players for example weigh a lot but i doubt they will get a heart problem like people that are 20 stones of fat.

Hence the bodyfat percentage. Although rugby players are absolutely beasts of people, they generally have a bodyfat percentage of around 8-12%. Typically speaking, that is a better body fat level than most 'skinny' people. i.e I'm 160lbs and 15% bodyfat. Up to 17% is considered healthy/average as far as I know.

 

[barnettgs]

True unhealthy, but then again they say everything is bad for you this or that will give you cancer etc, yawn.

In all honesty it's optional, people don't HAVE to eat it, they are not FORCED. If your going to ban that you might as well ban cigarettes, alcohol, guns, knifes, everything.

In that case, ban foods?

I am only discussing about what's IN food. Like you could say what's IN cigarettes.

They used trans fat instead of a NATURAL fat. Even so-called healthy foods have trans fat in it.

Something unnatural man-made that replaced natural stuff is considered a bad thing in my eyes, the propagated side effect of it in 50 years time is unknown! The same goes for unnatural sweeter to replace sugar if you see what I mean.

 

[Glaucus]

Hence the bodyfat percentage. Although rugby players are absolutely beasts of people, they generally have a bodyfat percentage of around 8-12%. Typically speaking, that is a better body fat level than most 'skinny' people.

but if it was the BMI then they would be about 40% fat. Common it wouldn't be implemented well and is a bad idea altogether.

 

[twistedheat]

but if it was the BMI then they would be about 40% fat. Common it wouldn't be implemented well and is a bad idea altogether.

Would be funny to see implemented though. I'm sure there would be a lot less fat people if they were being taxed to be that way.

 

[Jolly_Jason]

British Medical Journal Editorial Concludes Aspartame Criticisms Are Unfounded

The October 2, 2004 issue of the British Medical Journal carries an editorial concluding that aspartame has been "demonised unfairly" in sections of the press and on the Internet. >>SOURCE<<


Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Scientists at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Clinical Research Center conducted a study which concluded that aspartame is safe for the general population. Findings are noted here in this section entitled “Study reaffirms safety of aspartame.” MIT is known for its Nobel prize-winning staff and excellence in science and math. >>SOURCE<<


U.K. Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food (MAFF)

Aspartame was first approved for use in the UK in 1982 following a review by the Committee on Toxicity (COT), a group of independent experts who advise the Government on the safety of food ingredients. The COT has fully reviewed aspartame after studying all the available scientific information and found it to be safe for consumption. Up-to-date bulletins regarding this information can be found here. >>SOURCE(A)<< >>SOURCE(B)<<


Alzheimer’s Association

The Alzheimer's Association is the largest national voluntary health organization supporting Alzheimer's research and care. The site specifically states, "Several studies have been conducted on aspartame’s effect on cognitive function in both animals and humans. These studies found no scientific evidence of a link between aspartame and memory loss."
>>SOURCE<<


American Academy of Family Physicians

The American Academy of Family Physicians is one of the largest national medical organizations, representing more than 94,300 family physicians, family practice residents and medical students nationwide. The site states that aspartame is not related to ADHD in children or brain tumors in the general population. The site also notes that the claims made against aspartame are false. >>SOURCE<< >>SOURCE(B)<<


Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada

The Multiple Sclerosis Society of Canada refutes the claims made against aspartame and notes that there has been no published peer-reviewed research on aspartame and multiple sclerosis which support such claims.
>>SOURCE<<


Mayo Clinic

The Mayo Clinic asserts that aspartame is not to blame for brain tumors and notes that The Multiple Sclerosis Foundation, the Arthritis Foundation and the American Cancer Society, among other reputable sources, have all rebutted this widely circulated myth that Aspartame causes multiple sclerosis, lupus and tumors. This multi-campus health system is a leader in clinical practice, research and education and is a trusted name in health care.
>>SOURCE<<


American Diabetes Association

American Diabetes Association, the nation's leading nonprofit health organization providing diabetes research, information and advocacy, states that there is no credible scientific evidence linking aspartame to any health-related problems for people with diabetes
>>SOURCE<<
>>SOURCE(B)<<


Like I said, I'll take the words of experts rather than some dodgy Italian tests on Rats and armchair scientists

The fact is, a large amount of very good science shows that aspartame is a very safe substance. Studies that purport to show otherwise have thus far been overwhelmingly rejected by leading food safety authorities as flawed.

 

[Glaucus]

Would be funny to see implemented though. I'm sure there would be a lot less fat people if they were being taxed to be that way.

as I said we already being taxed, what do you think food is? there's certainly tax on food.
It's a shame most kids can't cook and on the poorer side, buying ready meals from places like lidle and icelands is far cheaper than buying fresh food and cooking it yourself.

 

[twistedheat]

as I said we already being taxed, what do you think food is? there's certainly tax on food.
It's a shame most kids can't cook and on the poorer side, buying ready meals from places like lidle and icelands is far cheaper than buying fresh food and cooking it yourself.

Actually, according to the savings made by people on the old boards at moneysavingexpert.com, it can be much cheaper to buy fresh food and prepare your own 'mass ready meals' which are made from natural and healthy ingredients.

 

[Glaucus]

Actually, according to the savings made by people on the old boards at moneysavingexpert.com, it can be much cheaper to buy fresh food and prepare your own 'mass ready meals' which are made from natural and healthy ingredients.

But you need large freezers or fridges to do that.Most 4 person familys don't have that type of space. In the cheap shops you can get 2 meals for a £1

So thats £2 for 4 people . I couldn't make much that cheap.