TV links shut down and owner arrested

Yeah, I don't know anyone who watches Lost on TV... it's the most unbelivable slow paced TV show it's impossible to watch with commercial breaks... the numbers dwindled due to it being boring in comparison to it's rivals. I'm sure 24 and Prison Breaks figures are still really high, and I don't know anyone who watches those on TV either (although many people I know have bought the DVDs).

Anyway it is true that the more people become net savvy, the less people are going to watch TV... I watch Match of the Day streaming off the BBC website now... I think ITV streamed the world cup final online yesterday too.

BTW, I'm not saying putting a logo on the bottom of a TV episode online should replace normal advertising methods... simply just to "ease the blow" of people watching things for "free".
 
Doesn't work like that.

The site is still owned by the admin, where the content is stored. Whether the admin posts it or not, he is still responsible for the content. Hence why Spie doesn't want medical/illegal content posted here.

Did TV Links have it's own tracker by the way?

So what about Youtube (and the others) aren't they responsible for what's up on thier video host and there are usually a lot of copyrighted videos I know a heck of a lot are ironed out but it still is infringing regardless of the amount of users?

In all fairness Youtube have taken a lot of videos down.
 
So what about Youtube (and the others) aren't they responsible for what's up on thier video host and there are usually a lot of copyrighted videos I know a heck of a lot are ironed out but it still is infringing regardless of the amount of users?

In all fairness Youtube have taken a lot of videos down.
youtube are responsible. There is an exception for basically hosting without knowledge though. As soon as they're informed they must remove the material within a reasonable period of time - and they do. They've also just implemented a filtering technology that should stop a lot of copyrighted material being uploaded soon.
 
So spie are you saying that other sites such as newzbin are illegal and should be shut down aswell ? All he done was provide links.
I could easily use it to download illegal material as well as legal material.

Newzbin indexes the contents of Usenet, however, it neither provides nor uploads any of the files that may be contained within it. Any descriptions available are a result of the indexing and therefore do not relate to downloadable files.
 
So spie are you saying that other sites such as newzbin are illegal and should be shut down aswell ? All he done was provide links.
I could easily use it to download illegal material as well as legal material.

Newzbin indexes the contents of Usenet, however, it neither provides nor uploads any of the files that may be contained within it. Any descriptions available are a result of the indexing and therefore do not relate to downloadable files.


I can't say I now the laws.

But that would depend on where it's hosted.
And what files it has. TV links probably had no legitimate content.
 
but thats the thing tv links had NO content only links. I fail to see how that is a crime. but I guess different folks see things differently
 
but thats the thing tv links had NO content only links. I fail to see how that is a crime. but I guess different folks see things differently

It's only a crime if he broke any laws. I have no idea if he did. But Surley there's some rules, as torrent sites keep getting shut down. Unless there hosted abroad.
 
but thats the thing tv links had NO content only links. I fail to see how that is a crime. but I guess different folks see things differently

It's extremely different to Tv-links.

TV-links made it extremely simple, just a single click got you your content. To use newzbin you need a newsgroup server provider and a client.
 
It's extremely different to Tv-links.

TV-links made it extremely simple, just a single click got you your content. To use newzbin you need a newsgroup server provider and a client.

I don't understand though, how "making something simple" is a crime. Either something is a crime or it isn't.

I could make a horribly convoluted website that eventually took you to something illegal - it is still illegal.

Or I could have a website that just had something illegal on its front page.

Either way, usability is not an issue from a legal point of view.
 
So crime goes by how simple it is? im not trying to take the mick here but I fail to see how him sharing links he found is illegal even if it goes to illegal contents thats outwith his control and not his responsibility.

surely at the most all he has done is ethically wrong. perhaps even ignorant but not illegal. typical britain.
 
No of course it doesn't go by how simple it is... it's all about the purpose of the site. Newzbin was created to allow people to access stuff on usenet, then people put stuff up on usenet which is illegal to use.

TV-links was set up with the intent right from the start.
 
So crime goes by how simple it is? im not trying to take the mick here but I fail to see how him sharing links he found is illegal even if it goes to illegal contents thats outwith his control and not his responsibility.

surely at the most all he has done is ethically wrong. perhaps even ignorant but not illegal. typical britain.

The problem is that he provided a portal for people to commit crimes, it was effective and it needed shutting down - because the people themselves could not or were not tried. It is similar to removing all knives from shops because it gives people the opportunity to stab people.

The problem from my perspective is not that he posted the links, but that the links even existed. He did not produce the links. (If he did, that would be an entirely different point of view). Simply busting someone for linking to something is tantamount to limiting free speech - next I could be busted on one of my websites for linking to a piece of information that the government wants limiting. I wouldn't be actually *hosting* the information, but simply by providing a link I could be "part of the problem".

Its a very, very fine line.
 
Never used the site anyway, so I don't care, but I don't get how linking to other sites is a crime.
 
No of course it doesn't go by how simple it is... it's all about the purpose of the site. Newzbin was created to allow people to access stuff on usenet, then people put stuff up on usenet which is illegal to use.

TV-links was set up with the intent right from the start.

There are, however, other issues at stake. Whilst it is at the interests of society at large for the entertainment industry to thrive and keep providing us with quality entertainment, the entertainment industry itself as a purely financially driven entity does not care about the content if it does not produce money from it.

Therefore, by removing a portal that also linked to unpopular, esoteric shows that people still found interest, you destroy the opportunity for people to still gain pleasure for something that is unlikely to be promoted because it "isn't in the interests of the business of entertainment".

There is also the concept of heritage. The BBC had to put out a call about 10 years ago to anyone in the UK who had some VHS recordings of about 5-10 Dad's Army episodes that they had lost as part of a fire or flood at BBC headquarters. I believe a couple of those episodes were lost forever. Now, we trust that the BBC is capable of backing up its material, because even if they own the material, it is also part of our heritage too, just as things like art/literature are part of our heritage. It is *extremely* evident that heritage cannot be left in the hands of businesses because they are extremely lazy and uninterested in anything that does not have the potential to make money. Hence why we do *not* have true choice in this country, only the choice to follow the set paths that industry give us.

This is *not* in our best interests. I have paid my TV licence for many years now - but I don't own a television any more, and I am not paying a licence until the system is reformed. All those years, hundreds and hundreds of pounds, and what do we have? A half-hatched BBC iPlayer that plays on one system, hundreds of programs of quality on at random times so our lives rotate around the TV and not vice versa, and no guarantees. No thank you.

I really expect someone like the BBC to be above this sort of thing. Why do I still have to pay full fair for a BBC DVD? The disc costs 30p to make. The content has been broadcast many times before. And yet the DVD costs upwards of £10-£15 PER DISC. I'm sorry, but that is pure corporate greed.

Oh, and in the meantime, I really hope you don't want to catch any of those really old unpopular programs that you used to like growing up on DVD - because unless its profitable, it ain't happening. Welcome to capitalism.
 
No it's not. Simply telling people that electrical stores have goods available isn't illegal. Telling people how they could steal from those stores is.

Are you sure about that?

OK here goes - Steal a car, preferably something fast and get someone to drive it. Put on a balaclava, knock out the security guard and load up the car with expensive goods as quick as possible. Drive off, dump the car and transfer goods to another vehicle.

Am I going to jail now?
 
Are you sure about that?

OK here goes - Steal a car, preferably something fast and get someone to drive it. Put on a balaclava, knock out the security guard and load up the car with expensive goods as quick as possible. Drive off, dump the car and transfer goods to another vehicle.

Am I going to jail now?

I think it needs to be more exact. You could show someone a particular car, tell them how to get into it, how long it would take to disarm the alarm, where to look to start the car by hotwiring or whatever (my car breaking-in seems to be based on movies), and then the best way to "clean" the car or whatever.

The person involved may not be able to perpetrate the crime before you told him, and he may not be able to do it afterwards - but you have provided the tools, the know-how. However, you have not committed a crime, and by listening, neither has he. It is only upon committing the crime, that he incriminates himself, however, if you facilitated it *knowing that he would commit the crime*, then you have been an *accessory*.

I think that is the most likely conviction that this guy could get. Its interesting, however, that there seems to be a reverse "security through ambiguity" thing going on here. If you aid in something that is fairly common (and could have been found easily), then your less likely to get in trouble with it. However, if you provide the exact know-how to arming a nuclear device to terrorists, your punishment will be much harsher.
 
TorrentSpy doesn't even host torrent files anymore - insted they link you to a .torrent which is hosted on a different torrent site.

So it's like data of data of data!

Yet they are still getting into trouble for it so I guess linking to copyrighted materials is still wrong as it kinda condones it and makes it more available. Newsgroup tracking sites serve as browsers for many newsgroups so it's more like Google than a TV-Links site.

It's like if I advertised my cracked version of Windows XP (with the darker start menu mod) and posted a link up here ... I'm sure I'd be in the wrong, I'd probably get a ban too and told not to come back ever.

Also while we are at it ... I don't think many people notice this but a lot of ISPs advertise thier connections at being fast for music downloading. I remember BT Internet had an advert of this ages ago showing that broadand was much better for music downloading. Now I know music is music which doesn't mean it's copyrighted but I mean like most of music in general on the internet is. You could too argue that it's pay for and from iTunes and such so it's not illegal but does it seem okay that ISP's advertise thier connections as fast for music downloads, does it not condone it alittle or mislead people?

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Also there were some guys not long ago called MediaDefender who made a fake video host site like Youtube and the sole purpose was to log IP's and look for copyrighted content so they could jump on them in court, just thought I'd mention it. Anyway thier emails ended up leaked onto the internets and no one knows what happens to the owners of MD some say they were fed to lions by pirates (pirate, pirates that is - ahoy).
 
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He facilitated access to copyrighted material, which is illegal. He would not have been arrested otherwise.

His punishment will be decided by the courts.

Yes but others have been caught in the past, and these others have actually been hosting material and they received a fine and had their site up and running a week later telling the community of what happened and apologising for the down-time. This guy isn't guilty of even that. Just linking to them. I really can't see him getting much more than a slap on the wrist otherwise it'll be going against the precedent of these previous cases.
 
I currently pay for Sky and i have missed episodes before, i guess it's nice to visit a site and "catch up" .

other than that i do agree with you.

exactly.

I pay for Love Film, sky, broadband, dvds, still go to the cinema, hd dvds, blu rays, phone etc.

Simple fact is:

Waiting weeks/months/years to see shows in the uk is pathetic.
Never getting to see great shows like they do in the states.
 
I watched Stargate in UK TV cause in general it was ahead of USA (a few seasons back)

now I dont even watch TV, besides for champions league footy (which I even stream now, simply cause I cba to kick my mum out the living room). I'd go to the pub to watch Man United, like I did every week when I was out Uni. So I can't see anything wrong with streaming it until I find a place to move out to so I could go with my mates again (all my friends have left Swindon).

I use BBC iplayer (A legal way to view the last 7 days of BBC television content) for jonathan ross... however they didn't have it on there this week, but I don't know where I can download it from so I'll have to wait for someone to put the interviews on youtube.

Anyway, aslong as the "MAN" is just shutting down places like TV Links, the more chance the other sites that we use will keep going (they are obviously less popular), so I don't mind... like I mentioned earlier, I only really used TV-Links if I had just made dinner, and there was nothing to watch while I ate it... so i'd watch a rerun of friends for 5 minutes while I ate my pizza, or in the night when bored I'd watch a documentary on MEGA CITIES or something.
 
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