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However, all the murdering in the name of God came after Jesus had 'changed' everything.

So what happened before Jesus came? There was murdering in the name of god then too.

I could quite happily go on a killing spree and say that the prophet mohammed made me do it. Am I a Muslim? No.
 
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Actually...While we're on versions of the bible; how did you choose which to believe?

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I have several translations, but overall very little changes between them, just the odd word, phrasing of emphasis. The main themes, teachings and fundamental truths remain the same. Ideally I'd be able to read ancient Greek and read the copies of the original texts, which haven't suffered from translations.
Knowledgeable pastors and speakers are able to refer to the Greek words and meanings to help us understand and interpret the passages fully though.
 
Well i think they was all political parties when they started out.

And no not the The Peoples Front of Judea or the Judean Peoples Front. :D
 
I have several translations, but overall very little changes between them, just the odd word, phrasing of emphasis. The main themes, teachings and fundamental truths remain the same. Ideally I'd be able to read ancient Greek and read the copies of the original texts, which haven't suffered from translations.
Knowledgeable pastors and speakers are able to refer to the Greek words and meanings to help us understand and interpret the passages fully though.

Greek? How about learning Hebrew and seeing how the modern justifications of Jesus divinity are based on purposeful mistranslations.
 
Greek? How about learning Hebrew and seeing how the modern justifications of Jesus divinity are based on purposeful mistranslations.

eh? I don't follow you there. What are you saying?

The New Testament was written in Greek though.
 
On a more serious note homosexuality is unnatural and if everyone was gay the world would slowly die out. However (IMO) god is a made up figure by people who are unsecure

No it wouldn't. If homosexuality became absoloute, the human race would by then of forced itself to pro-create artificially. If nobody could bring themselves to mate "naturally" any more, I'm pretty sure we'd just use artificial means to impregnant women to ensure mankind's survival. When our society changes, we adapt.

As for being unnatural? Well, it's as unnatural as you driving your car I suppose.
 
As for being unnatural? Well, it's as unnatural as you driving your car I suppose.

Well, not to be a pedant, but driving your car is a choice, because driving from A to B is more convenient than walking (perhaps). Am pretty sure that homosexuals don't choose to be homosexual, its just who they are. Genes, not upbringing.
 
Well, not to be a pedant, but driving your car is a choice, because driving from A to B is more convenient than walking (perhaps). Am pretty sure that homosexuals don't choose to be homosexual, its just who they are. Genes, not upbringing.

Well, there's many things we do that could easily be classed as unnatural that we don't really have a choice about.

However the thing here is, you're spot on, homosexuality isn't a lifestyle choice, it's who you are. Hard-wired into you. People who are homosexual have as much choice in their sexuality as heterosexual people do, you just have a sexuality, whatever it may be. So if it wasn't natural, why is it given to you immovably by nature so-to-speak? :)
 
eh? I don't follow you there. What are you saying?

The New Testament was written in Greek though.

Taking *one* example, Matthew 1:22-23 is referencing Isaiah 7:14, almah, as written in the original Hebrew in Isaiah does not mean virgin (that would be b'tulah), it just means young woman/maiden.
We shouldn't take this conversation too much further though, it probably won't end well.
 
For some it probably is a choice

Are you aware of the difference between a choice and a preference? You have control over one and not the other. For example, I prefer coffee to tea. However, I could choose to drink tea only and never drink coffee. See?

Oh, and on the whole "But the new testament! Greek!" thing, go and do some theological study into how both the old and new testaments are written. It may be enlightening :)

*edit* I see bam0 has got this. Glad to see there's some educated people around.
 
Hahahahaha, how very funny. Im sure that would be the 1st thing that popped into their mind when I have signs saying nasty things at their other halfs funeral. :rolleyes:

Keep your rolleyes. You'll thank me for the lesson when your IQ breaks into triple figures.

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Yes I do understand the difference between a choice and a preference, I was merely stating that for some, at least, it may be a choice. I was not saying that that applies to all.

Ok, so some passages are written in Hebrew, I get that. One word does not disprove the whole gospel though.
I do take on-board your comments. I never admit to knowing everything about God, I just confess that the gospel about Christ is true and reliable for our salvation.
 
Yes I do understand the difference between a choice and a preference, I was merely stating that for some, at least, it may be a choice. I was not saying that that applies to all.

Ok, so some passages are written in Hebrew, I get that. One word does not disprove the whole gospel though.
I do take on-board your comments. I never admit to knowing everything about God, I just confess that the gospel about Christ is true and reliable for our salvation.

Having sex people people of the same sex is a choice for everyone who does that. Actually wanting to is the preference bit. There's no "for some" about it. I choose to get off with women because, well, I like it. I could equally choose to attend gay orgies. If, what you're saying, that some people choose different actions to their preferences, then you might be right, but that's usually the case when people's preferences are repressed by society. Ie, in the past people who were gay having to act straight.

And it's not just "some passages" that are in Hebrew, why do you think the proper name for the "old testament" is the Hebrew bible?
 
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