what if the nazi's won the 2nd world war?

mmj_uk said:
I think that had the Nazi's won WW2 the world today would be a safer and more peaceful place to live (for Germans at least).

Yeah they'd have probably commited quite a few atrocities over the past 60yrs, but at least the human race would be united instead of killing each other over religion etc, there is so much unrest in the world today.
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It's part of freedom.

I think it was Larry Niven who wrote "The product of freedom and security is a constant".

How to provide security to everyone:

i) Kill everyone who doesn't openly support your rule.
ii) Provide a scapegoat group for people to blame for everything.

When you have absolute rule by decree and your every word is law:

iii) Monitor everyone as much as possible. No-one must ever feel safe to do anything other than obey you utterly.
iv) Kill everyone who doesn't obey you in every way.
v) Indoctrinate everyone from birth to obey you.

Maximum security, minimum freedom.

I think the price is too high by far.
 
Mr^B said:
...I'm trying to work out whether that's a price worth paying for ridding the planet of chavs...I'll get back to you...
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Draining the planet in blood or do nothing and live with chavs...hmm...pretty tricky...ill go and deal with some simpler matter...like my dissertation.
 
Pottsey said:
“At least someone sees the bigger picture. I am astounded that any person can look on a Nazi regime as utopia.!”
It could have become like a Utopia in the very long term. Yes in the short team it would have been extra violent and bloody with far too many deaths.

Now I don’t agree with what they did and I don’t think the world today would be a utopia. But in theory in another 100 to 200 years we might have been better of it they did win and conquered the entire world.

Let’s just pretend they somehow won and conquered the entire world over time. Forgot about the first 100 years where everything’s bloody and there are tons of deaths. Your now left in a few 100 years a united world all speaking the same language or at last having the same second language, All money is the same improving trade, borders are open with free travel, no wars or counties fighting. Everyone’s similar so little reason to fight.

If someone could conquer the entire world and hold it together over time one possibility is everywhere would turn into a super large single county, current counties would become states. Science, health and standard of living would advance super fast far beyond what we would have otherwise.

Of course there’s always the possibility it falls to part and splits into tons of new county’s.
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Forced unification is extremely risky and unlikely to succeed without long-term bloodshed and savage oppression. England, for example, took about 1100 years of fighting, four complete conquests and one partial conquest from other countries and the harsh suppression of numerous uprisings. If you want an example of what normally happens, look at Yugoslavia.
 
Angilion said:
Forced unification is extremely risky and unlikely to succeed without long-term bloodshed and savage oppression. England, for example, took about 1100 years of fighting, four complete conquests and one partial conquest from other countries and the harsh suppression of numerous uprisings. If you want an example of what normally happens, look at Yugoslavia.
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But that differs from nazis though, because they would simply kill anyone that wasn't the same, if that meant wiping out whole races then be it.
 
Wow, this thread is absolutely tragic. I can't believe it's even a basis for discussion. I'm stunned by the opinions held by our younger generation of potential recruits to neo-nazism. Because, well, that's what the German population were all blindly doing back in 1936 as well :( :rolleyes:
 
JayMax said:
Wow, this thread is absolutely tragic. I can't believe it's even a basis for discussion. I'm stunned by the opinions held by our younger generation of potential recruits to neo-nazism. Because, well, that's what the German population were all blindly doing back in 1936 as well :( :rolleyes:
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just because we think the world might have been a better place in no way means we condone the slaughter of 'different' people, or the handicapped, it just means we can see certain policies and ideology that would be better than the current situation.

it is my personal opinion the hitler was a prodigious man, although i don't agree with his ideology as a whole a lot of what he said was powerful, emotive, and in relation to the times was partially necessary.

going to war with him was necessary, it's impossible to condone the slaughter of innocents, were i given the choice at the time i'd fight against him, because no degree of betterment can be obtained by murder of a fellow man, for whatever reason.
 
jidh007 said:
I'm sorry but there is absolutely no way that a Nazi world would be better than todays world, absolutely not.
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there is no way a hitler world would be better, but what you're saying is akin to "there would be no way a labour world would be better" (although the DAP made their anti sematic views clear from the start, although lots of people irrationally hate muslims, so it's all spin really)
 
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bringerofdecay said:
it is my personal opinion the hitler was a prodigious man, although i don't agree with his ideology as a whole a lot of what he said was powerful, emotive, and in relation to the times was partially necessary.
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As prodigious can mean abnormal or monstrous, you are correct.

Adolf Hitler was a maniac, an unstable and and mentally unstable maniac with no regard for life or the basic right to it.

As for being neccessary for the time, partially or not, I am sorry but I cannot buy that. Germany was shattered after the First World War and Hitler seized an opportunity to con a disgruntled public and ushered in an unprecedented era in German history where life was discarded like a used newspaper.

Britain was shattered by two world wars yet no such fascist regime was put forward, in the background or even considered as a saviour or way forward. Britain got back on it's feet without the need for Nazi ideology.
 
Oswald Mosely was in the background with his blackshirts but there was simply no need for fascism in Britain. 'Although lots of people irrationally hate muslims' - disagree with that that also, I think a lot of thick people irrationally hate muslims.

Edit: Though saying that, there are a lot of thick people, so you're probably right ;)
 
So who are we getting rid of first Boss?
Shall we use castration on the males, and sterilisation on the females? Or maybe open surgery then shoot them if they survive?
The surgery will prove useful for research purposes of course. And I fancy a new lampshade. Chuck them out of a plane a 30,000 ft, just to see what impact damage looks like. Sounds good to me.
Of course, I'm only talking about immigrants here. Once they're all taken care of, I'm sure someother creed will be found.
Luckily for me I'm 6', blonde and have blue eyes so I'm alright, Jack. Better to be on the winning side than the losing one in my book.
 
I think it's a bit tragic that this thread has cropped up so close to 11/11. Those of you saying the world would be a better place are making a mockery of the sacrifices made by our grandparents. (all IMHO of course).
There is no possible way that the ends would justify the means. Wholesale slaughter of millions of people for the 'benefit' of a few 'lucky ones' is frankly ridiculous.

Panzer
 
jidh007 said:
Oswald Mosely was in the background with his blackshirts but there was simply no need for fascism in Britain. 'Although lots of people irrationally hate muslims' - disagree with that that also, I think a lot of thick people irrationally hate muslims.

Edit: Though saying that, there are a lot of thick people, so you're probably right ;)
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I stand corrected on the Mosley question. :)

Either way, his impact was surely mininam and stepped on hard.
 
Absolutely, just to point out wasn't trying to undermine your point however! (@ Von Smallhausen) The blackshirts tried tactics similar to the Nazis, ala The Battle of Cable Street but the authorities here took a more hardline approach to him and his 'blackshirts'.

Those who are stating that technology and such would be more advanced, I disagree. A lot of the technology improvements are due to competition a allegedly 'unified' world would lack it. With millions of people being slaughtered why bother sorting out technology, the Nazis only had one thing in mind and that was the purification of the human race. The technological developments that we saw during the second world war were the result of one side trying to defeat the other by superior methods.
 
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Very valid point jidh007; Most technological advances come through the military before being introduced to civvy street. If there was no major threat to a unified global civilisation there would be less need for military technological advances.

Why do you think America are so determined to have wars with anyone they can think up the smallest excuse to fight with?

Panzer
 
Von Smallhausen said:
As prodigious can mean abnormal or monstrous, you are correct.

Adolf Hitler was a maniac, an unstable and and mentally unstable maniac with no regard for life or the basic right to it.

As for being neccessary for the time, partially or not, I am sorry but I cannot buy that. Germany was shattered after the First World War and Hitler seized an opportunity to con a disgruntled public and ushered in an unprecedented era in German history where life was discarded like a used newspaper.
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the treaty of versailles, although fair punishment for the actions in WWI was heavy handed and caused pain and suffering for millions of innocent germans (who had suffered just as much as the rest of the world had in WWI), hitler stepped up and, for a short while led the country out of humiliation and degredation. had hilter not have risen would germany still be unfairly shackled by the treaty? would it be the influencial power it is in the world now? would it be as good a place to live as it is now? i don't know, and we will never know.
 
bringerofdecay said:
the treaty of versailles, although fair punishment for the actions in WWI was heavy handed and caused pain and suffering for millions of innocent germans (who had suffered just as much as the rest of the world had in WWI), hitler stepped up and, for a short while led the country out of humiliation and degredation. had hilter not have risen would germany still be unfairly shackled by the treaty? would it be the influencial power it is in the world now? would it be as good a place to live as it is now? i don't know, and we will never know.
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Whatever the end game now for both the German AND Japanese economies - both are strong as they were demolished and thus rebuilt as result of the war, there is absolutely no excuse to say the methods were reasonable. You're drawing parallels thats weren't intended.
For the record I agree with you about the Treaty of Versailles, it was very punative, and imho, the French pushed hard for it to be too punative, which gave Hitler his moment.
 
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