whey protein advice

Water or skimmed-milk (preferably the latter imho due to increased rehydration) PWO

Doesn't matter at any other time. Full-fat milk will slow down digestion slightly but not by a great deal, still better to use water, skimmed or even semi PWO just to be safe.

Isolate is for professional bodybuilders looking for that extra 0.5% that might give them the edge. The rest of us just don't need it and concentrate is more than ample. Also Isolate is excellent for people who are lactose intolerant and have issues with concentrate.
 
Phnom_Penh said:
because it's more than likely that it would all be used for energy :).
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I don't understand your point. The body will turn to the carbs for energy WAY before it even considers the protein. So why not have protein aswell as as the carbs. I would consider not having any protein in the morning a big no no
 
Since this is relatively on topic, from what I've read and spoken to people about to achieve decent gains/muscle development you need roughly about 1g per lb of bodyweight. Now I'm well over 200lbs - so that's over 200g of protein, I'd say that without taking supplements it would be very very difficult to healthily achieve this amount. I don't eat anywhere near that much protein a day (I don't take any supplements) - that's a big effort to achieve IMO. I have an extremely healthy diet, I don't eat sweets or crisps either or drink fizzy drinks but if I or anyone were to get into some serious body development you'd have to supplement or get additional protein surely?

This is more of a general question rather than a statement. It's just I've never thought you should ever need a supplement if you had a relatively healthy diet, if you want to achieve good results and good fitness.
 
Well no, you could get that much protein from food, but you'd spend most of your time eating, and most of your money on food.

What's the issue with buying protein powder?
 
Freefaller said:
Since this is relatively on topic, from what I've read and spoken to people about to achieve decent gains/muscle development you need roughly about 1g per lb of bodyweight. Now I'm well over 200lbs - so that's over 200g of protein, I'd say that without taking supplements it would be very very difficult to healthily achieve this amount. I don't eat anywhere near that much protein a day (I don't take any supplements) - that's a big effort to achieve IMO. I have an extremely healthy diet, I don't eat sweets or crisps either or drink fizzy drinks but if I or anyone were to get into some serious body development you'd have to supplement or get additional protein surely?

This is more of a general question rather than a statement. It's just I've never thought you should ever need a supplement if you had a relatively healthy diet, if you want to achieve good results and good fitness.
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In regards to protein intake, there is no set in stone golden amount to take. Simple fact is we're all different with differnet goals, different lifestyles, etc, etc.

Also I don't think we can go purely off bodyweight. Example a 250lb man with 8% bodyfat needs more protein than a 250lb man with 30% bodyfat as he's carrying a lot more lean mass.

Protein supplements are as much about convenience and cost as much as anything. You simply cannot beat getting a 5kg tub of pure top quality whey for around £30 for value and ease of use. The guys who faff about and buy these fancy, nice tasting drinks full of sweeteners and flavourings are missing the point imho. I'd rather eat a peice of steak, chicken, eggs, etc than that over-priced muck. If you can't stomach an unflavoured whey drink... wtf are you doing in the gym trying to build a big manly 200lb+ ripped body and throw big weights about? :D
 
Mmmm steak. Sorry was somewhat distracted by that comment! :D

I see your point - as you say everyone is different and reacts differently to exercise, diet and lifestyles. At 12-13% at the moment which I'm happy enough with, but I eat too many carbs (just because they're usually in tasty food) and just was curious about a lot of regular gym goers views on protein intake. I go to the gym a minimum of 3 times a week - I like to leave a day between if I can, and tend to do aerobic work on "days off". In about 10 months I've managed to add 6lbs whilst losing 2-3% BF so I'm rather happy - not bothered about gaining much more bulk (hence why I'm not overly fussed about protein) but maybe I should worry about protein to make it easier to keep my shape? At 6'1" and 206lbs I'm more than happy with if I'm honest - I wouldn't mind getting back up to 15st but not compromising my BF%. I'm not going to be quiting exercise any time soon - I'm addicted to it! Throwing weights about is great! :D
 
Chong Warrior said:
Better option than the body turning to your muscles though?
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Styles said:
I don't understand your point. The body will turn to the carbs for energy WAY before it even considers the protein. So why not have protein aswell as as the carbs. I would consider not having any protein in the morning a big no no
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Well yeah, but having a protein shake as breakfast is pointless imo.
 
I'm not sure how you can square not eating any protein for 12 hours with trying to create an ideal environment for muscle growth?

So, what is your reasoning for thinking it's pointless?
 
I don't (although how does having a shake for breakfast deal with the 12 hour lack of protein beforehand? :confused:), having something high in casein like quark, BTE, etc before bed will provide about 6 hours worth of protein, also including normal whey, some bcaa's and lew will give what imo's an unbeatable environment for muscle growth (it's also anti-catabolic).
I don't see much protein being used for anything but energy if it's being had for breakfast. I'd say having an all carb breakfast, then having whey or something faster acting like hydro 30-60 mins after is better :).
 
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