Murder a man and get 3 years in prison

As Mr Slave once said " Jesus Christ"

I always thought this was the United Kingdom. Evidently not! :(

I was and am against the crime commited in the OP, but judging by the hostility against anyone not English and the simple point I was making then, well, I am very disapointed by the English mentality!
 
What is wrong with the UK media?

There sentences have, in all likelihood, been greatly lengthened and instead the BBC riles everyone up making it appear as if they have been shortened.

It looks to me very much like an IPP has been handed out - the purpose of which is to get around maximum tarriffs (which are then shortened due to mitigating etc etc). Whilst these guys will be considered for release earlier chances are they will spend a lot more time in prison - potentially the rest of their lives.
 
"Not sought to kill"

Yeah because beating someone with planks and then dumping them in the river is just harmless banter :mad: Scumbags.
 
AdladUK said:
Now don't be silly

No one really considers Wales as an independant country with its own legal system
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now in regards to this post, i normally hate people that jump in saying something along the lines of " i lol'd so hard i fell out of my chair, killed a cat, while falling through the floor which flatened my dog aswell" type thing. but that did indeed make me laugh a crapload.

i think the phrase "its funny because its true" springs to mind :p


now to the thread, just another reason the country is falling into the crapper. but though the legal system may/may not have failed(probably did) the fact here is just another **** poor job at raising children. i'm sorry, but responsible parents with morality and basic skills in life should be able to teach kids right from wrong. i mean, a kid getting hooked on drugs is one thing. but in all my time as a kid/teenager(i'd be surprised if this wasn't the same length of time most of you spent as a kid/teenager ;) ) i failed to bump into a situation of peer pressure where i caved in and decided to repeatedly rob, beat, torment, torture, vandalise then kill a guy. i mean, i have blacked out drunk a few times, maybe more than a few, but again i haven't woken up at a friends house with my friends laughing about how you "accidentally beat a guy to within an inch of his life then through him in a river where he was clearly, and very obviously die".


I think several things could be brought in, how to raise a kid class, in school, or recommended along side other pregnancy classes.

bad kids mostly are raised by bad parents, and while we **** about screwing up dealing with those that are already, basically, evil people. we need to find a way to stop people becoming bad in the first place.

i don't even know how, a licence to have kids? vasectomys for chavs? who knows.


also, shouldn't the friend have gotten in trouble for, being involved with stealing a car, and i assume were fine with "lets go see the dead guy we killed i clearly told you all about before going there". also the guys stole a car to go see him, yet another crime that can carry a decent sentence.

its such a joke to decide they hadn't intented to kill him. when you beat a guy so he's unconcious you can put him face down in a puddle and he'd drown, through him in a river and you know exactly what you are doing. they led him away from his home. they literally tortured this guy for, well, they moved the guy once, which doesn't happen overnight so i assume they tortured him for months. absolute disgrace. not only were they not sad they accidentally killed they guy, they were showing off what they'd done. to actually show pride in murder is just about as far gone as you can go. i mean, we're talking criminally insane of the, will never ever be normal again variety.

but am i also right in thinking manslaughter is a lesser charge than 1st degree murder, or is that all tv shows and US courtroom crap making me think theres a difference in terms. people of this degree of evil should be tried for what they did, all the crimes, nto tried for lesser crimes, and given life sentences of the variety that don't let you out when you fool some idiot government employee you're all better.

how many murderers world wide in the last 100 years commited a murder, talked crap, got out of jail on parole supposedly healed, and did it again. aren't we supposed to learn from past mistakes or something? the other problem is we don't have "rehabilitation jails", i mean these guys are supposed to go and get rehabilitated. they don't go somewhere to get counciling and treatment for 20 years, they go to a prison, full of violence and hate, and beatings and probably rape , and being treated like crap, and somehow they are supposed to come out fixed? firstly anyone would lie to get out of a situation like that. secondly, i'd bet a lot of money that a hugely high proportion of murderers became people like that through growing up in violent situations full of hate, beatings, maybe rape, and being treated like crap. see a pattern here, i do? the government happens to think that will heal most people though.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
i'd bet a lot of money that a hugely high proportion of murderers became people like that through growing up in violent situations full of hate, beatings, maybe rape, and being treated like crap. see a pattern here, i do? the government happens to think that will heal most people though.
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I completely agree that for the most part prison doesn't help in the slightest. In fact it largely contributes to the problem. It only makes things worse, both for the individual offenders, and society in general (costs, and the fact that they will probably be worse when they get out, than before they went in).

Although as I've previously mentioned in this thread, in cases such as the one in the OP, this isn't the case at all. Those scum deserve everything they get, and more.
 
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seek said:
I completely agree that for the most part prison doesn't help in the slightest. In fact it largey contributes to the problem. It only makes things worse, both for the individual offenders, and society in general (costs, and the fact that they will probably be worse when they get out, than before they went in).
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One solution would be to build one massive prison (Ireland should do) then make then feed clothe them selves etc, then just never let them out?

Just cruise them occasionally when they make a boat or hot air balloon.
 
I bet if the victim fought back and accidently killed one of them he'd get life just cause there some punk chav kids. We need a vigelante group, but one that does their research (sometimes i wear a chav looking coat, dont want to get mistaken!). I read a news article the other day about a community that strung up, turred and feathered a local drug dealer... I'm suprised this hasn't been done already with chavs (although their damn chav parents are probably making things difficult)
 
Tefal said:
One solution would be to build one massive prison (Ireland should do) then make then feed clothe them selves etc, then just never let them out?

Just cruise them occasionally when they make a boat or hot air balloon.
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I was thinking something similar... but it's basically a chav reform centre, where they go until the chav has been beaten out of them.

You also need a license to prove you're not a chav, basically the idea is to make chavs second class citizens
 
You can't stop chavs being chavs, unless you implement a 'license' to have children, which obviously all chav parents would fail to gain spectacularly.

Some regions of China already only allow childbirths if parents have a license to do so (with big fines otherwise), perhaps it wouldn't hurt to implement such a scheme here... It may well be ethicly wrong, but most would agree the chav problem in this country is fast becoming out of contol.
 
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Tefal said:
One solution would be to build one massive prison (Ireland should do) then make then feed clothe them selves etc, then just never let them out?
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I can't see Irish Immigration Control allowing foreign prisoners into Ireland. Ireland is a Republic, remember?

Have a day.. mate.
 
Morlan said:
Well why not dump them in France or Germany? Ye all seem to hate them more. :p . Ireland has had more than enough of turd from Britain already.
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Yeah but then we'd have to dig a moat around france.

Strangely while people will take the pee out of france etc, most seam to respect Germany still.


Also what does have a day mean?
 
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