Just tried a protein drink..

Chong Warrior · 12 Nov 2007 at 01:44

A pint of milk will do you more good, you have that don't you?

Column Matrix · 12 Nov 2007 at 01:51

I see your point, I'm open to suggestions.

Billy 2 Sips · 12 Nov 2007 at 01:58

Chong Warrior said:
Good stuff, some thought gone into your nutrition

What is this the thinking behind the banana and grapefruit juice helping, the carbs?

EDIT - This is only in regards to monohydrate, CEE is a different animal.

Well simple carbs like banana and grapefruit give an insulin spike. These greatly enhance the absorption and the effectiveness of creatine mono. I don't take sodium but just the simple carbs to help. I have read sodium can help as well but I've never tried tbh.

I personally wouldn't recommend taking creatine mono with water alone, it apparently results in roughly 70% being excreted. Thats why it's good to use simple carbs as this helps greatly with absorption. You don't really need the banana with creatine after your workout as your insulin sensitive, but I like to have one anyway.

benjo plz. · 12 Nov 2007 at 08:20

billsterno1 said:
Well simple carbs like banana and grapefruit give an insulin spike.

I was under the impression that fructose doesn't cause insulin spikes big enough to help with creatine transport?

Reeve · 12 Nov 2007 at 08:40

Am i missing something here?? the creatine monohydrate from myprotein i have seems to taste of almost nothing, flax seed powder on the other hand.... *vomits*

Billy 2 Sips · 12 Nov 2007 at 08:55

Phnom_Penh said:
I was under the impression that fructose doesn't cause insulin spikes big enough to help with creatine transport?

That maybe be true, but I don't eat them for the fructose, what we want is the glucose

Eating simple carbs like banana's will increase the level of insulin, and insulin will greatly increase the uptake of creatine mono into the muscle.

benjo plz. · 12 Nov 2007 at 09:11

billsterno1 said:
That maybe be true, but I don't eat them for the fructose, what we want is the glucose

Eating simple carbs like banana's will increase the level of insulin, and insulin will greatly increase the uptake of creatine mono into the muscle.

not sure I agree with that (probably better to go with something with more glucose), but you're taking malto anyway well so it's not really a problem. Think you'd probably be better off with grape juice rather than grapefruit juice for a few reasons

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Billy 2 Sips · 12 Nov 2007 at 09:14

Yes sorry I meant grape juice

You don't want to be taking anything too high on the glycemic index, banana's and grape juice are a good medium.

A2Z · 12 Nov 2007 at 09:18

billsterno1 said:
I know people who take more than 10g per dose leading upto competitions and they find it helps.

so the only reason you take 10g is because these people take 10g's? i take it you are competing soon?

benjo plz. · 12 Nov 2007 at 09:22

^ interesting point, maybe it's being used to get rid of fluids as well?

billsterno1 said:
Yes sorry I meant grape juice

You don't want to be taking anything too high on the glycemic index, banana's and grape juice are a good medium.

good

I think WMS is the best choice, might have to agree to disagree on that

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Billy 2 Sips · 12 Nov 2007 at 11:58

A2Z said:
so the only reason you take 10g is because these people take 10g's? i take it you are competing soon?

Sorry but where did I say anything like that. I didn't so please don't put words into my mouth.

My point was that the recommended dosage is not also best for everyone. I didn't just pluck my dosage out of thin air, I experimented with different amounts to see how I could get the most benefit.

The dosage I use now works well for ME. It might have no benefit to the next guy. But you simply cannot put such a generalization on something when there are so many others factors to take into account.

Were not all identical so why would one recommended does work the same for everyone.

Phnom_Penh said:
I think WMS is the best choice, might have to agree to disagree on that .

Have you tried cornstarch that works just aswell as wms, and it's cheaper.

Thats fine if we disagree like I said above the same things don't work for everybody.

Chong Warrior · 12 Nov 2007 at 14:31

billsterno1 said:
Well simple carbs like banana and grapefruit give an insulin spike. These greatly enhance the absorption and the effectiveness of creatine mono. I don't take sodium but just the simple carbs to help. I have read sodium can help as well but I've never tried tbh.

Ah ok, thought there was some other thinking behind it.

billsterno1 said:
I personally wouldn't recommend taking creatine mono with water alone, it apparently results in roughly 70% being excreted. Thats why it's good to use simple carbs as this helps greatly with absorption. You don't really need the banana with creatine after your workout as your insulin sensitive, but I like to have one anyway.

Come on dude, do really think I don't know that? My grandma probably knows that lol! I never said just take it with water.

Chong Warrior said:
I have this drink after breakfast when I have lots of carbs and protein. I also sometimes have it pre workout depending on what I've had that day.

You're kidding yourself if you think you're absorbing 10g of creatine mono just because you're having a banana with it or whatever. You'd need to have at least 1 litre of water just for the creatine alone at that dosage, then a load of fluids for your other stuff. You're having 400ml of milk with 150g of oats and whey, what's the creatine going to dissolve in?

This is why I said I disagree with taking 10g at a time. If you really want to take 20g a day to load up (no point in my experience in that either) then take 5g in at least 500ml water, 4x times a day after a meal containing carbs and protein. You're much more likely to make use of it all imho.

A2Z · 12 Nov 2007 at 14:42

i put 5g into about 200ml of boiled water...dissolves instantly, then put another 200ml of cold water into it, so i can drink it

Chong when you said after breakfast with carbs and protein, do you think it make a difference if you drink it first then have your meal 2 mins later, or have your meal then drink it 2 mins later?

platypus · 12 Nov 2007 at 14:47

Thats why I'd never buy flavoured stuff again. Unflavoured whey, creatine and a spot of vanilla essence & coconut, or some cocoa and you have a lovely drink which you can knock back or savour.

Chong Warrior · 12 Nov 2007 at 14:48

A2Z said:
i put 5g into about 200ml of boiled water...dissolves instantly, then put another 200ml of cold water into it, so i can drink it

Chong when you said after breakfast with carbs and protein, do you think it make a difference if you drink it first then have your meal 2 mins later, or have your meal then drink it 2 mins later?

I put cold water in first, about 500ml and then boiling water 100-200ml. I'm thinking maybe the boiling water could do something to the creatine, many substances change at such a temp. Just doesn't seem worth it as the creatine still dissolves in warm water as good as it does in boiling.

I wouldn't think so no but I wouldn't like to try and eat my breakfast when I've just slugged down 700ml of water lol. Easier the otherway round

McBain · 12 Nov 2007 at 15:01

Get your hands on some pHD whey protein.

Best tasting i've tried, a little on the pricey side compared to others but it's good stuff.

proper makes your shaker stink after a while mind.

MaX_PoWah · 12 Nov 2007 at 15:02

i cant hack it either mate your not on your own, ive never been a fan of milkshakes which doesnt help, im just trying to eat more protien and it seems to be working, althought i accept probbably not as fast as someone who does the shakes.

I just make sure i eat as much lean protien as i can with each meal especially chicken as well as plenty of fruit and water, tins of tuna with a bit of salad cream go down well, althought dont over do it on them because it contains zinq is it ? loads of its bad for you, another good move is boiled egg sandwichs with wholemeal bread and a little bit of salt to make it a bit more exciting before you go to bed, this will drip feed your muscles all nite.

the main thing your losing is the hit of protien that your muscles are after straight after a workout as whatever you eat is going to take time to process.

Chong Warrior · 12 Nov 2007 at 15:13

MaX_PoWah said:
i cant hack it either mate your not on your own, ive never been a fan of milkshakes which doesnt help, im just trying to eat more protien and it seems to be working, althought i accept probbably not as fast as someone who does the shakes.

I just make sure i eat as much lean protien as i can with each meal especially chicken as well as plenty of fruit and water, tins of tuna with a bit of salad cream go down well, althought dont over do it on them because it contains zinq is it ? loads of its bad for you.

Yeah don't go overboard on the tuna, mercury and other heavy metals aren't what you want in your body.

Red and White · 12 Nov 2007 at 15:22

i drink it with water and its fine.

milk left me feeling very bloated afterwards

Billy 2 Sips · 12 Nov 2007 at 15:35

Chong Warrior said:
Come on dude, do really think I don't know that? My grandma probably knows that lol! I never said just take it with water.

Well thats what you said here:

Chong Warrior said:
I mix 5g with 700ml of luke warm water on it's own, nothing else.

Chong Warrior said:
You're kidding yourself if you think you're absorbing 10g of creatine mono just because you're having a banana with it or whatever. You'd need to have at least 1 litre of water just for the creatine alone at that dosage, then a load of fluids for your other stuff. You're having 400ml of milk with 150g of oats and whey, what's the creatine going to dissolve in?

I drink over 2 litres per day, just not at exactly the same time as take my creatine. Trust me if I really saw no benefit from it I would not use as much.

Chong Warrior said:
This is why I said I disagree with taking 10g at a time. If you really want to take 20g a day to load up (no point in my experience in that either) then take 5g in at least 500ml water, 4x times a day after a meal containing carbs and protein. You're much more likely to make use of it all imho.

Like I said on the previous page I know the loading phase is not essential, but it works better for me. I train first thing in the morning and I found taking 10g before in a shake and 10g after in a shake gave me the most benefits when loading.

Your basing your opinions on your experiences as am I with mine, so what makes your opinion right for me? I haven't just chucked supplements in willy nilly, I've researched them and tried different methods that will give me the most gains.

I've never come across any real evidence to support either of our methods, but my method works for me so thats evidence enough for myself.