Weekend Football *SPOILERS* 10th-12th November

Good performance but Reading were rubbish in the 2nd half. We should have scored 5 or 6 in this game.

CliffyG said:
Where is all this hatred coming from exaclty? Not the first person i've seen say similar.
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The players who have potential to be great are always hated. Take it as a compliment mate ;) Fabregas also is a very bad and sore loser, for some that is reason enough to dislike him but I'd much rather have a bad loser than someone who doesn't care.
 
I don't hate him. I don't rate him as highly as most do though. For my money, RVP is Arsenals best player.
However, my problem with him is he seems quite unpleasant.
His comments to Mark hughes and his actions during pizzagate in particular were very poor.
He also got in rios face after arsenal scored, in a really unnecessary way. almost as bad as what happened to ruud that time.
But he's also always seemed ready to pipe in with a quote disrespecting teams and how they play too.
He seems very arrogant.
 
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He also apologised to Hughes after the game and when he calmed down. No one really knows what happened with the pizza, I'd take anything I've heard with a pinch of salt (or pineapple).

I believe Rio had also said something or had pushed him.
 
LeaguePosition14 said:
Got Bitter ;)
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Hahaha looks like it:p

Good result for us tonight i think although i didnt watch the match...just kept up to date with BBCs coverage....Reading were awful though :/...seemed like they didnt want to win or do anything much.

Oh well 3 pts bagged so keeps us level with Man Utd. Cant ask for anything more tbh.
 
We’re at TreeHouse school in Muswell Hill and William Gallas and Cesc Fabregas have their socks off and bare feet soaked in paint. The pupils here are severely autistic and the players are helping them create artworks, some of which will be auctioned to help build a sports hall.

Shoes back on, there’s a kick-about, photo-taking and much clapping and laughing with the TreeHouse kids. “It’s great if you can make them smile and, me and William,” says Fabregas, “we enjoyed it more than them.”

There’s nothing put on about his humility. Other top players like Steven Gerrard and Paul Scholes, two rivals he lionizes, are similar. It’s a mentality that goes beyond modesty, for to be modest is to know your worth but conceal it. Fabregas, Gerrard, Scholes: they simply don’t see what’s special about being special. Fabregas is already projected as Footballer of the Year and Emmanuel Adebayor said he is the best on the planet. “Thanks Ade,” he blushes. “I’m a star? No. No chance,” he says. “It’s not about that anyway, it’s about doing what I love, playing football, playing for one of the best clubs in the world. I have a job I like. After, I go home and I rest and I watch my programmes. I live my normal life and I’m very happy.”

A cautionary voice amid the worship was raised by Sir Alex Ferguson who suggested Fabregas and other brilliant youngsters cannot be regarded as great players, because they have not yet got the medals. “Yeah, he’s right,” says Fabregas. “I 100% agree with him. I can’t say I’m a great player. And I always say at Arsenal we’re a very, very good side but not a great side. When we win something together as a group we can say we’re great but, right now, we’re just a good side.

“You’ve been successful when you’ve won trophies. When you’ve won European Championships, World Cups, Premier Leagues, Champions Leagues: then you can say you’re a success. Right now I can’t say anything. I just have an FA Cup.”

The transformation, if there’s been one, is explained in team terms. “It’s true I feel more free to go forward and that’s down to [Mathieu] Flamini. He doesn’t stop running, chasing the opponent. He has amazing energy. We had a bet, Tomas Rosicky, Alex Hleb, Mathieu and me about who’d score most this season, and Matt tells me, ‘Hey, if you always go forward I cannot score’. So I must give him two goals, maybe.”


He “must never forget,” he adds, “my real job on the pitch is to pass. It’s not going to be like this all my life. I’m not going to score every week. I wish. Henry can do it, and Romario, but not me. Scholes is an amazing player. I admire him a lot, and Gerrard too. Their common thing is they get forward and score important goals. In the key moments they come through for their teams.”

At Anfield a fortnight ago Fabregas was as important to Arsenal as Gerrard to Liverpool, which says it all about the young man. Scholes was absent when Manchester United visited the Emirates stadium last week and drew 2-2 but Fabregas and an even younger tyro, Anderson, delighted with a contest which was anything but callow in terms of ruggedness, technique and guile.

“Everyone in Spain said, ‘You were so good, how did you only draw?’ Against Man United we were superior in that we had more possession but actually a draw was okay. I love Man United and the way they play. They’re an amazing side. You could see how they don’t really have the ball but when they get it do a counter attack, so quick. They get to your goal in two seconds. It was a good point for both sides. Now the important thing is to keep winning against the other teams, beginning with Reading.”
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article2847802.ece
 
Having seen him doing interviews for a couple of years I don't think I've seen many U21s come across as being more mature in nature than Fabregas. He comes across as being intelligent yet down to earth, and doesn't seem to display much in the way of arrogance (typically saying how all he wants to do is play football).

Obviously there may be times when he slightly less than gracious in defeat, but I think that is only natural from a young man who wants to win games. Have we never seen petulance from Ronaldo, Rooney et al when things aren't going their way?
 
well that's nice of him. personally i don't necessarily agree with the point you have to win something to be a great player. a great team i can agree with. Fabregas is a great player, absolute top drawer and one of the top 5-10 midfielders in the world but perhaps it's more true to say you couldn't go down as a Great player (notice the capitalized G) in history unless you are part of a team that wins things.
 
Fabregas is just a very sore loser, i can live with that. like hangtime just said, lots of young top notch players react poorly to defeat. it's hardly the worst thing in the world and hopefully they realise that they looked a bit of a plonker and as they mature they show a bit more grace.
 
Fabregas is a cocky little **** for someone who has achieved so little in football (yet), but that doesn't make him a bad person outside of the game as above has showed.
 
hes just a kid with a thirst for winning. hes hardly cocky really, he seems to have his head firmly screwed on most of the time. Its pretty good really, he obviously didnt pay attention to henry and probably looked up to his international teammates instead :)
 
I thought Fabregas's quote in the papers the other day saying the Spanish league is so much better, a Barcelona -Betis game being a lot more entertaining than a Bolton-Fulham game (It was certainly Bolton - lower league team) , because the players are so much better.

Very few teams in the world can compare at all to Barca, at least chose a team thats had a similar amount of success (top 4) otherwise its surely a pointless thing to say?

Just believe him to be a little too arrogant for what he has actually managed so far
 
He doesnt come across as a **** tbh, not like Ronaldo,Robben,Drogba etc anyway.As for La liga being better? well its true isnt it, only united and arsenal are worth watching in this league for the neutral, the rest are very industrial but skill levels are somewhat limited (and i include my beloved Liverpool in this group:()
 
wohoo said:
He doesnt come across as a **** tbh, not like Ronaldo,Robben,Drogba etc anyway.As for La liga being better? well its true isnt it, only united and arsenal are worth watching in this league for the neutral, the rest are very industrial but skill levels are somewhat limited (and i include my beloved Liverpool in this group:()
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I suppose we wouldnt know unless Betis (and others) regularly played lower EPL teams and consistently won

Just because some skill is there doesnt mean they would automatically win - so whether they are "better" or not is certainly arguable imo

I still think its a bad comparison to compare a regular team winning or challenging for the titles against annual mediocre teams (at best)
 
I actually quite like Fabregas, there was that time he ribbed Sheringham because Arsenal lost but i would rather have him being a sore loser than a CBA
 
I really like Fabregas. Nothing wrong with being a sore loser, it shows how much it hurts. It's when you have a good loser that you should be worried.
 
I don't know what Coppell said at half-tiem, but it must have been the worst team talk in existence, because Reading went from holding us off and occasionally pressing rather well, to backing right off and giving us all the time we wanted. So we used it, and we did exactly what you'd expect when you give us space - we scored more. Madness.

Shame we didn't keep it 3-0. I'd have liked us to get an extra goal on ManUtd.

Oh, and I thought Ade did really well considering I'm not a fan of the 4-5-1 we play with Hleb behind him (Where was Eduardo?). He was never offside at least twice, and so should have had two goals yesterday.

FrankJH said:
Just because some skill is there doesnt mean they would automatically win - so whether they are "better" or not is certainly arguable imo
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I don't think the point was that the teams in La Liga could beat their equivalent numbers in the Prem. It was more that, because in Spain defenders tend to back off more, the football is more entertaining to watch, as they play it around more, rather than lumping it straight towards the box.
 
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