Womans Sentence Doubled for being Gang Raped

Status
Not open for further replies.
drunkenmaster said:
when you compare them following a book of fiction being ridiculous, most people would only say that if they think another book isn't fiction. point being, different countries are at different stages of their society evolution, england had just as many ridiculous laws years back, based on "our" fictional book.

we hit an industrial revolution which put us ahead of many countries, we also raped and pillaged a lot of cultures in the past to futher our own at the expense of theres. THATS the reason england jumped ahead, and why the US in turn jumped ahead. Had saudi arabia owned all the land we did and invaded england and when we hit the industrial revolution simply stolen all the technology and killed everyone here, the situation would be reversed.
Click to expand...



The UK had a government long before 1700 and way before the industrial revolution. Our punishment system was inhumane and people were executed for stealing bread to feed their hungry children (every heard the expression better to be hung for a sheep than a lamb) that wasn't a figure of speech in them days it was what would happen should you be caught.

However the UK was not enlightened by the rape and pillage of other countries. As far as I know we were still executing people in the 1960s and children were being caned right into the late 1980s yet we are now outraged on these forums because a caning is being applied somewhere else!

For me petty crimes would be dealt with by corporal punishment rather than a spell in the clink.


:rolleyes:
 
drunkenmaster said:
well we went from savages conquering the world to pulling out of countries after living there like kings. maybe buddism taught us the errors of our ways while in india. or maybe the canadians neutrality rubbed off on us. don't remember saying we stole the industrial revolution, but had someone stolen it off us, is what i said, then we wouldn't have become so advanced so quickly, and whoever started mass production and made lots of money might have.

we forget that 200 years ago the world was very different, and we went through an incredibly fast evolution of our society, not every society in the world was lucky enough.

people keep saying the other guys get off scott free. frankly i wouldn't want to be in a saudi jail for 20 years, hows about you?

are you aware that women in saudi arabia aren't allowed to travel or talk to men they aren't related to? i am, she was, she was aware of the consequences of that action in her society. thats fine, i'm not arguing its a good law, but i think cannabis use, which has put lots of people in jail in the uk over the years, is ridiculous, yet people know the law, choose to not follow it, and get punished. that is indeed the way life goes. i think its terrible to put her in jail, i think its terrible to put someone in jail over a bit of weed. it happens here, it happens there. but because we feel they are savages we'll lord it over them and forget the injustices that happen here. because life seems better when you only think about how bad other cultures are.

our country hasn't had democracy forever, neither have , well, almost any countries for most of history, its relatively new, and not accepted everywhere.

enlightenment pretty much came through education, which can from science, leading to a massive drop in things like drowning witches. the industrial revolution was a period in history that sparked a time of science and technology, this led to us giving up a lot of stupid things our ancestors did. that level of education isn't present worldwide. in 300 years our society may not have moved on while others do, and england will be regarded as a savage land.

people don't have the ability to think outside the box, you think they are savages always have been and always will be while we are civilised and always have been. thats just bull.
Click to expand...

I think this a very good post and emphasises what I was trying to get across - but in a more detailed way.

Thinking outside the box is very necessary here. I'm not saying it's good that women get punished for talking to men they're not related to [in a way I do agree with it, though at the same time putting such restrictions on people goes against human nature and would ultimately be debilitating], it's not a realistic law at all. But it is the law over there.

There are people who think so differently in the world that the only similarity you would share with them is that you are human. There's a lot in that statement and it's taken me years to realise the full thrust of it. There are some very different people and just because you think they're wrong doesn't mean they ultimately are - it's all subjective. Do I think it's wrong - yes I do. But it's not my place to go over there and tell them.
 
Saudi Arabia hardly implements Islam.

As for religious side of things, the way punishment is carried out Saudi, it's fabricated and wrong. There are some very warped-cultural ideas there that over-ride the Shariah.
 
Slinwagh said:
Just keep reading that and think about what you have just typed.
Click to expand...

It seams though, that she was in some guys car (not one of the rapists) of her own free will, which is illegal, then something happened and she got raped by several different men, she is not being punished for being raped but for being in the car.

And her punishment was increased after going to the press trying to get public out cry for being punished for being raped, which she wasn't.

So as was said before its like she broke into a house then while leaving some passer-by raped her, even here she would still be prosecuted for the burglary, not the rape.

So the thread title needs changing as it is False and misleading.
 
Stonedofmoo said:
I agree 100%. This country is in a state of moral decay.
Click to expand...

Big problem there, morals have no place in court or the law and no place in the desicion of punishment.

Although i agree 100 lashings for assault would be better than a fine, maybe some for vandalism/mugging etc too.
 
Just thinking the same as Tefal, the title of the thread is just ****-stirring.

Criticise and comment if you will, but please base it on facts and not fabrications, like those of the OP
 
NightSt@lk3r said:
This people, is why i don't do religion.
Click to expand...

Slinwagh said:
Do we expect anything less from a nation that is so entrenced in a book of fiction and is still trying to find its way out of the stone age.
Click to expand...

Agreed, eventually the darwin effect will become prominent, those who run counties via books of fiction are surely doomed, those societys that follow whats actually going on in the world -should- play out and continue past religious nutters, unless religious nutters get hold of an aweful lot of atomic weapons 'course.
 
Last edited:
wordy said:
Exactly, I can't see how anyone with a set of morals could see it any other way
Click to expand...

A set of your own particular morals. We've got rapists in this country as well, their morals are different from yours as well.
You have to look at it from an outside perspective, you can't use your society's lenses to look at others, it's one of the first things you learn in anthropology
 
Getting 90 lashes for sitting in an unrelated mans car is awful, now it's been increased to 200 lashes and 6 months in jail makes it even more so. Saying we can't judge them because their society is different is also wrong.

Should people in this country feel such revulsion for Honour Killings just because murder is against the law, or because it is a barbaric act carried out just because the daughters parents don't like her boyfriend?
 
wordy said:
Getting 90 lashes for sitting in an unrelated mans car is awful, now it's been increased to 200 lashes and 6 months in jail makes it even more so. Saying we can't judge them because their society is different is also wrong.
Click to expand...

El Gringo said:
Actually, it was doubled because they found her guilty of trying to use the media to twist her story. The attackers' sentences were also doubled.
Click to expand...
 
wordy said:
Getting 90 lashes for sitting in an unrelated mans car is awful, now it's been increased to 200 lashes and 6 months in jail makes it even more so. Saying we can't judge them because their society is different is also wrong.

Should people in this country feel such revulsion for Honour Killings just because murder is against the law, or because it is a barbaric act carried out just because the daughters parents don't like her boyfriend?
Click to expand...

I understand, but really you have to separate what you feel about it from what they feel about it. What you feel is not what they *should* feel at all. That in itself is totally wrong. THey could be saying the same of us, disgusted at our society, who's to say that they are wrong, you?

Something I think not many people are willing to grasp is that she knew of the law beforehand, she's not some unsuspecting victim who's been framed, there was a law in place and she knew of it. Whatever the punishment, she knew she ran the risk and she knew of the punishment. That HAS to be separated from the punishment (or the crime) for the sake of the argument. Right or wrong by our own standards, she clearly knowingly broke a very prominent law.
 
If she hadn't been raped and was "just" given 90 lashes for sitting in someone elses car I would still think it was barbaric and savage regardless of the law in Saudi Arabia. Sorry for not being able to think outside of the box enough to think that warrants a flogging...
 
RDM said:
If she hadn't been raped and was "just" given 90 lashes for sitting in someone elses car I would still think it was barbaric and savage regardless of the law in Saudi Arabia. Sorry for not being able to think outside of the box enough to think that warrants a flogging...
Click to expand...

That's fine - you can think it's wrong. I do too. But it's no-one's place to say it is wrong per se. You're looking at it through Western eyes, as am I. But I wouldn't say, "it is wrong, therefore they shouldn't do it". The culture is totally different over there.
 
RDM said:
If she hadn't been raped and was "just" given 90 lashes for sitting in someone elses car I would still think it was barbaric and savage regardless of the law in Saudi Arabia. Sorry for not being able to think outside of the box enough to think that warrants a flogging...
Click to expand...

That's absolutely fine, but at least you understand that they might have different views, principles and ethics. You can criticise them all you want as RDM, as a Westerner or as a Briton, but you can't just *say* it's barbaric because everyone thinks it is, that's different.

/hah, woo, great minds :p
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom