Just one of a few limitations when flashing a gaming card to do CAD, which is why the real deal costs. I used to read up on this quite a bit and there were tons of drawbacks, found that one with a quick Google.
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any hope for ati?
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The 3870X2 is looking to be a good card as long as they can get the crossfire implementation running well. Apparently they'll consume less than what a 2900XT consumes too, and are rumored to be around the $400 mark, I just hope they get a fair rate conversion (crosses fingers). 
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Seeing as every wii and xbox has a ati gpu powering it i dont think they are going anywhere in a hurry 
Seeing as every wii and xbox has a ati gpu powering it i dont think they are going anywhere in a hurry
These threads always confuse me - when AMD were giving Intel a right good hiding, where were all the "Are Intel defeated?" threads? And what about when the FX series were around - nobody seemed to dismiss nVidia.
I can at least partially understand it with Intel - they are a huge company and not being competitive isn't likely to hurt them that much. But nVidia must have taken a right hammering, and they just shrugged it off and started work on the 6800 series.
Daft, I tell thee!
I think the difference is that the Intel brand is much more recognised to PC noobs than AMD, so even when AMD was whipping Intel in performance the people less educated in PC's would choose a P4 over an A64 and those who knew about PC's would buy AMD.
Now it appears Intel have the performance crown as well so both the noobs and the enthusiasts are choosing the Intel route.
Although to be honest I do agree that it swings in roundabouts, AMD/ATI should be back on top soon enough.
Well at least AMD are closer than ATI are.
If AMD were to improve the Phenom yields, and get them clocking well, Intel might well have a problem. But they're not going to scare Intel with 2.3 - 2.5GHz and little room for overclock.
If AMD were to improve the Phenom yields, and get them clocking well, Intel might well have a problem. But they're not going to scare Intel with 2.3 - 2.5GHz and little room for overclock.
That doesn't mean much for the desktop segment of the market though.Seeing as every wii and xbox has a ati gpu powering it i dont think they are going anywhere in a hurry
I don't think anyone seriously believes that AMD will go bust, but they might have to pull out of the high-end desktop market if they carry on the way they have the last 18 months as they're pretty much hemorrhaging market share in that segment and it's all going straight to Nvidia.
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Well, if you take a look at the companies latest financial results, there are signs that the supertanker is slowing and turning in the direction they want to go.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Q307Financials.pdf
They realised a long time ago that they'd fallen behind in the tech stakes, so R & D spend is up approx $500m since the same period last year.
Intels aggressive pricing and market share is squeezing AMD's margins though.
The good news is they are losing less cash, and they recently gained a $600m plus investment which will help keep things ticking along and investments like that don't happen without confidence. The ex ATI chief exec resigned in the summer too, although the indications were this was pre-planned, and so there are managerial shake ups going on as well.
Their survival depends on remaining competitive in their core markets, and to be frank this doesn't mean needing to have the fastest high end hardware. Ocassionally though, R & D departments stumble on something that scales exceptionally well, and becomes the next 'big thing'.
ATI went from profit to huge losses in about a year, so this business is extremely fast moving, so there is every chance they could be back, especially if Intel/Nvidia start resting on their laurels a bit!
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/Q307Financials.pdf
They realised a long time ago that they'd fallen behind in the tech stakes, so R & D spend is up approx $500m since the same period last year.
Intels aggressive pricing and market share is squeezing AMD's margins though.
The good news is they are losing less cash, and they recently gained a $600m plus investment which will help keep things ticking along and investments like that don't happen without confidence. The ex ATI chief exec resigned in the summer too, although the indications were this was pre-planned, and so there are managerial shake ups going on as well.
Their survival depends on remaining competitive in their core markets, and to be frank this doesn't mean needing to have the fastest high end hardware. Ocassionally though, R & D departments stumble on something that scales exceptionally well, and becomes the next 'big thing'.
ATI went from profit to huge losses in about a year, so this business is extremely fast moving, so there is every chance they could be back, especially if Intel/Nvidia start resting on their laurels a bit!
They are a company feeling pain, no doubt!
The good news is that they haven't cut back in the area where all tech companies need to excel, that of R & D.
Actually, the new CPU's and GPU's they've released recently are not half bad. They aren't the absolute quickest things out, no, but they're competitive outside of the small world of the OCUK forums!
They're spending more on marketing too, just to let people know that there is an alternative out there!
Thats a big IF.. and for Intel at least its not true. Phenom competes well with Kentsfield on price V performance, but has lower clock speeds, and doesnt overclock quite as well as Kents.
But intel have Penryn based parts in the wings, most likely being mass produced as we speak ready for general launch early 2008 (except the QX9650 which will be out soon)
But it doesnt stop there, intel are well underway with development of Nehelem which is schedules for release some time in 2008 quite possible Q3'08. And looking beyond that intel are planning a dieshrink of nehelem to a 32nm process.
Intel were caught with their pants down with P4. It was an aggressive even 'revolutionary' design which failed to live up to performance expectations. So their engineers when back to P3, and make the 'evolutionary' redesign we know as Core Duo, and at the moment they are running a huge R&D effort to that we all forget P4 as quickly as possible.
Intel survived the P4 era because it has the brandname. With very high clock rates P4 was still an 'ok' chip, but it was by no means a good design. Which opened the door for AMD's Athlon64's.
AMD arnt dead though, They have played second fiddle to intel since the 8086 processor, and have aways made cheaper parts than intel. Keeping their R&D in the budget market, and pricing correctly should open up plenty of doors.
Wasn't the X1950 XTX faster than the 7900 GTX?
I think he meant including X1000/7000, at least I hope so as it's the right answer.
'If AMD were to improve the Phenom yields, and get them clocking well, Intel might well have a problem. But they're not going to scare Intel with 2.3 - 2.5GHz and little room for overclock.'
90% of the market could not care less whether a chip can clock well or not
90% of the market want a home pc with internet word and capable of playing the odd game from time to time
its only the other 10% hardcore gamers/enthusiasts that care whether a chip can overclock
yes this site probably sell far more C2D than phenoms or athlons because of overclockability after all this is overclockers.co.uk
but somewhere like pc world and the rest of the market the only major factor is price. An average buyer will look at a Q6600 @ 2.4 Ghz and a Phenom equivalent at say 2.4 Ghz and think ooo sounds nice they look at the price and make the decision
so aslong an amd stay competetive pricewise they'll survive
90% of the market could not care less whether a chip can clock well or not
90% of the market want a home pc with internet word and capable of playing the odd game from time to time
its only the other 10% hardcore gamers/enthusiasts that care whether a chip can overclock
yes this site probably sell far more C2D than phenoms or athlons because of overclockability after all this is overclockers.co.uk
but somewhere like pc world and the rest of the market the only major factor is price. An average buyer will look at a Q6600 @ 2.4 Ghz and a Phenom equivalent at say 2.4 Ghz and think ooo sounds nice they look at the price and make the decision
so aslong an amd stay competetive pricewise they'll survive
Yes but look at the price, bob buying in the high street willn't worry if it is 3ghz or 2.4ghz but will worry if it is a few hundred more and the 8800gt came out early because of amd.