'Muhammad' teddy teacher arrested

@if ®afiq · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:29

stinka;10597553it makes me sick said:
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad[/URL]. said of our allies " this country should be wiped off the face of the earth"

No he did not, but this will go totally OT.

@if ®afiq · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:30

Alchemy said:
This is something I've never understood. What is the point of reading something if you don't understand it? Maybe the Koran says that one must read it, but surely that includes grasping the actual content too?

It baffles me just as much! I suspect part of the decline may well be attributed to this ignorance.

Richdog · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:31

stinka said:
i cant belive the intelegent users of this forum debate god/religion/islam etc

we evolved from fish FFS

religion is a prehistoric form of control

there is no god

if it makes people more secure and lessens there fear of death then fair enough but i still struggle to fathom how intellegent people can belive in gods etc.

*Holds head in hands*

@if ®afiq · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:33

Richdog said:
*Holds head in hands*

stinka · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:36

come on guys you know where im coming from..........

Nullvoid · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:39

Try reading "The intelligent person's guide to religion" by John Haldane. It seems perfectly geared to providing an insight into what you are trying to fathom.

Brownpants · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:43

Alchemy said:
If you don't mind me asking, what do you do over there?

Part of a water supply infrastructure project to supply about 3 million people with clean running water.

The reaction i've seen in the news etc does not seem to be indicitive of the real people i know over there.

The government is actually rather disliked by the people and is clinging to power. This seems to me to be a ploy to garner support against a common enemy and keep the current regime in power.

stinka · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:45

Nullvoid said:
Try reading "The intelligent person's guide to religion" by John Haldane. It seems perfectly geared to providing an insight into what you are trying to fathom.

will check it out thanks

but science is backed up by facts and religion and proof of higher powers is just hearsay

you know that saying about puting the fear of god into people, well thats all it is, fear that can be used to control

rayer · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:54

Fear of religion was very powerful in the English history, but with advancements in education and science, the power is now non existent.
This is not the case however over in the east.
Why cant everyone just get along and if they want to be religious, fine, THEY can be religios, but dont involve others who arent.

RDM · 30 Nov 2007 at 22:59

@if ®afiq said:
And the bad examples I gave were done for freedom and democracy. Should we therfore say that freedom and democracy is evil?

Since when was the invasion of Iraq for Freedom and Democracy? I thought it as all about the oil/bush getting one back for daddy (delete as applicable)? It is nations doing what nations have done for centuries, looking out for their own interests. So how do you equate it to freedom and democracy. That is why your examples are flawed, you are trying to relate them to things that they aren't. Where as all of the things I stated where done by muslims because of their faith. Misguided or not.

@if ®afiq said:
Fair point about the anti-abortionists, however those that believe in enforcing "democracy" on others are pretty much white....

Yep, not a single black man (or woman) in Bush's administration. Not a single black soldier killing muslims in Iraq. All to do with whitey oppressing people again...

@if ®afiq said:
I don't want the skin colour thing to take over the fact that a group that believe in democracy have comittied many evils in it's name - so what should we think of all those that believe in democracy?

So, skin colour has nothing to do with it after all? So your generalisation about "white people" wasn't even a generalisation but wrong instead?

@if ®afiq said:
Does Bush represent what democracy is all about?

No, he represents what happens when powerful nations look after their own interests. Which generally isn't pretty for the less powerful. So if you want to equate "Nations looking after their own interests" with "Islam" then that works for me...

@if ®afiq said:
How about the example of the neo-cons who are hell-bent on controlling the ME - their actions clearly follow a trend, but once again does that mean they represent all American's?

No, but they do represent the actions of those that have a similar ideology, i.e. neoconservatives.

@if ®afiq said:
I can see this is doing so only because of what I believe is an agenda by not only those that control what information we get but also by the states involved.

Ah, a good old media conspiracy to keep the muslims down eh? Come off it, whose fault is this story? The BBC for reporting it or the Sudanese for arresting, charging and convicting this woman? Whose fault was the reporting of the voilence at the anti-cartoon protests? The BBC or the muslims that overreacted? Whose fault was the reporting of the death of Theo Van Gogh? The BBC or the muslim that murdered him?

There are hundreds of news stories every day about other people doing bad things, they too would stop if people stopped doing the bad things.

@if ®afiq said:
b) That's a bizzare statement to make. Their is nothing "mystical" about the Islam then - it is irruftable history.

Mythical, not mystical, the Golden Era was not a Golden Era for those on the southern iberian peninsula and probably wasn't a Golden Era for apostates or homosexuals either. It is a Golden Era looking back on it, reality probably wasn't anywhere near as golden.

Gilly · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:02

stinka said:
*** her TBH

she deserves to be shot as does anyone that leaves our shores to waste there time trying to educate this backward race of people

She deserves to be shot for trying to educate?

I wish someone would try to educate you. This is possibly the most idiotic post I've ever seen on these forums, and that is saying something.

stinka said:
it makes me sick, as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. said of our allies " this country should be wiped off the face of the earth"

Wasn't that a mistranslation?

Nullvoid · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:04

stinka said:
will check it out thanks

but science is backed up by facts and religion and proof of higher powers is just hearsay

you know that saying about puting the fear of god into people, well thats all it is, fear that can be used to control

That's not a recommendation having read it myself by the way, it just seemed such a perfect title given what you were posting

Personally, some of the reasons I see for adhering to religion are: the comfort it can give (rising in proportion to how hard your daily life is), receiving guidance, finding meaning in life and a "cause" to work for. I guess you could add having been brainwashed during your upbringing so you simply can't conceive of any other possibility.

The point to focus on is that science doesn't actually take away from any of the above. History is littered with prominent scientists who have also been religious.

James07 · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:07

This winds me rigggght up, sends me bad..

The fact that she is now in prison for a crime related in full to religion is utter crap, religion is crap, it shouldnt exist, theres no hard proof behind it, its something to do when bored!!

Its utter crap and not to mention that shes no in prison for letting a CHILD name a TEDDY!!!! So what if the child named it after the prophet.. How is she supposed to stop that, its pathetic that shes in trouble for that, i would have been even more wound up if she had the lashes as thats a joke.. Real utter joke, not a thing that should be happening in civilisation nowadays, no wonder their country is in so much bother, this is now covering up their issues and binding them closer to themselves as a news corrospondant said this evening.

It is stupid, they wonder why they are in so much jeopardy all the time, they need to step up to reality and life and get on with it, instead of wasting away their lives preaching for such crap, something that dosnt exist, that holds no hard evidence.

Just really really annoys me this does, especially as i cant and wont follow religion.

James.

Gilly · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:08

Nullvoid said:
That's not a recommendation having read it myself by the way, it just seemed such a perfect title given what you were posting

LOL, so you've not even judged it by it's cover but by it's title?

Nullvoid · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:11

Gilly said:
LOL, so you've not even judged it by it's cover but by it's title?

Guilty as charged.

I happened to spot it in a bookshop earlier in the week and it popped back into my head after reading his post.

stinka · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:13

Gilly said:
She deserves to be shot for trying to educate?

I wish someone would try to educate you. This is possibly the most idiotic post I've ever seen on these forums, and that is saying something.

why thank you

at last i've achieved something in life

in all seriousness i dont think she needs to be shot, but i think we have enough problems with poverty and poor education in our own county, therefore i feel her skill would have been better used in our own country

as for the ahmadinejad quote, yes i belive it was miss quoted by the us/israel but i feel it quite apt in this instance in terms of my own feelings about these backward muslim nations

Gilly · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:22

I don't understand. You believe a misquoted and further misinterpreted 'quote' pertinent in a discussion when you've quoted the misquote/mistranslation verbatim?

Her skill may have been better served here, but we are a nation of free peoples. It is her decision and one I will vociferously defend as to where she lives and works. I also believe that the single biggest factor regarding these 'backward muslim nations' is not the fact that they are Muslim, but that they are backwards. That they are not as developed as us. How would we address that?

Teaching.

stinka · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:31

Gilly said:
I also believe that the single biggest factor regarding these 'backward muslim nations' is not the fact that they are Muslim, but that they are backwards. That they are not as developed as us. How would we address that?

Teaching.

agreed, but obviously they dont want our help or teaching, as there parading in the streets saying she should be shot

stinka · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:33

also ive just become aware of this :

http://www.chargrilled.co.uk/t-shirts/Mohammed-Teddy-Bear-t-shirt.m

Gilly · 30 Nov 2007 at 23:34

stinka said:
agreed, but obviously they dont want our help or teaching, as there parading in the streets saying she should be shot

Essentially, that is precisely why they need teaching. They need understanding and perspective. Withdrawing and leaving them to it isn't going to enhance that.