Greatest Military Hardware

Ok, I have another nomination:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/s-300pmu.htm

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The S-300PMU. 200km range, 145kg of high explosive, 2km\sec missile speed, maximum altitude of 30km. If that isn't a serious threat to anything in the sky, I don't know what is.
 
surely the solution to all these problems is getting say a 1-10Kt war head with a mile or so of the targets?

relatively easy,

A few obvious problems with that.

1) You need to get a whole load of nuclear weapons into geo-stationary orbit. This is difficult and expensive, as they are very heavy things.

2) The political ramifications would be incredible. Having nuclear weapons in space is about as big a threat to other developed nations as there can be

3) How exactly would you accelerate a nuclear warhead to the required speeds, in a vacuum, in the 10 seconds or so that you have the thing in range? It's not like shooting a 10gram bullet - that is plausible. But a 100kg weapon would require far, far too much momentum

4) Your ammunition would be very limited. Would be easy to overcome by sending a whole load of dud ICBMs first, followed by live ones when the ammo runs out. Remember, the ICBMs will deploy countermeasures, so even if you could guarantee hitting the target you need to allow for at least 10 or 20 times the number of "shells" as you would have incoming missiles.

5) Most importantly - In space, there is no blast radius. So no, "within a mile or so" would not be sufficient - would need to be within a few tens of meters so that the ICBM metallic coating will melt from the radiative thermal energy of the blast.


So no, not "relatively easy". As far as I know no-one is even looking at using nuclear weapons as anti ICBM weapons. Pretty crazy idea to be honest.



also i think the patriot has succeeded in shooting down a war head on re-entry

I don't think so - where did you hear this?

The patriot is not designed to fly to the upper atmosphere, let alone space. Nor is it designed to hit something moving 20 times faster than its maximum speed. Besides, if it DID hit the target then fallout would be spread over a massive area below. The only "safe" way to destroy an ICBM is in orbit.
 
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for me its got to be the GAU 8

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Few facts about the GAU 8

1.It is the largest, heaviest and most powerful aircraft cannon in the United States military.
2.the GAU-8 represents some 16% of the A-10 aircraft's unladen weight
3. if left for a full minute, the GAU 8 fires at 4,200 RPM


simply awesome piece of equipment
 
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The patriot is not designed to fly to the upper atmosphere, let alone space. Nor is it designed to hit something moving 20 times faster than its maximum speed. Besides, if it DID hit the target then fallout would be spread over a massive area below. The only "safe" way to destroy an ICBM is in orbit.

no i believe it shot down the war head on re-entry, and no the weapons don't need to be in orbit or any where near, they just have to get in the way of the warheads some where on route, a large missile could easily carry a nuclear weapon of sufficient pay load, we can pack a 16 kiloton war head into a artillery shell no (280mm and smaller), and there is no way to launch dummy icbms first as you only get one volley, by the time you've loaded up your silos for a second wave their real nukes have already hit your bases.

We have lots of nuclear artillery shells spare and they are not subject to any strategic arms treaty either, along with nuclear air to air missiles and surface to air missiles.

And even though there is no blast wave there is still a huge amount of electromagnetic radiation, which wile nuke electronics will be shielded, will still heat the metal/heat sheild to the point it would probably fail on re-entry.

In nuclear war its not about stopping all the missiles only the ones that will hit military basses or missile silo's city's are unfortunately sacrificable.

Everyone loses, its just a case of making sure the other guy can never get back up again.

Just like how several million deaths where considered acceptable losses in the cold war.

Give it 20 years and i reckon America at least will find a way to stop icbm's but then there's short range missiles to stop etc etc,

You could use a trident to launch 12 warheads into orbit or more of a smaller size and use that as a sheild, only problem being the advanced warning required.


Edit on the patriot from wiki~:

All told, the PAC-3 upgrade has effectively quintupled the "footprint" that a Patriot unit can defend against ballistic missiles of all types, and has considerably increased the system's lethality and effectiveness against ballistic missiles. It has also increased the scope of ballistic missiles that Patriot can engage, which now includes several intermediate range and intercontinental ballistic missiles such as the Nodong and the CSS-2 and CSS-3. However, despite its increases in ballistic missile defence capabilities, the PAC-3 missile is a less capable interceptor of atmospheric aircraft and air-to-surface missiles. It is slower, has a shorter range, and has a smaller explosive warhead compared to older Patriot missiles (although it generally relies on its kinetic "hit to kill" warhead).

And as for dummy re-entry moduals

The software can now conduct a "tailored TBM search", optimizing radar resources for search in a particular sector known to have ballistic missile activity, and can also support a "keepout altitude" to ensure ballistic missiles with chemical warheads or ERS ("early release submunitions") are destroyed at a certain altitude. For Configuration 3 units, the Patriot Radar was completely redesigned, adding an additional TWT (traveling wave tube) which increased the radar's search, detection, tracking, and discrimination abilities to previously unheard of levels. In fact, the PAC-3 radar is capable, among other things, of discriminating whether or not an aircraft is manned and which of multiple reentering ballistic objects are carrying ordnance.

Still it's no where near perfect and needs plenty of warning to get distributed, although if a nuclear war was about to kick you could garruntte they would be all over Britain America and Germany.


apparently 2000 of an 8" nuclear artillery shell where made,with a yield scalable from 0.5 to 40 kilotons.

But it was invented in the 50's and retired in early 90's so there is probably a better smaller more powerful one by now.
 
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Assuming the recoil is ~55% of the engine thrust, even that becomes a problem, when you consider the plane's corner speed is 260kts.
 
Although the recoil is greater than the engine thrust of the A-10 ;)

Urban myth.

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Nope, the exception is the howitzer carried by the AC-130 gunship.
 
In nuclear war its not about stopping all the missiles only the ones that will hit military basses or missile silo's city's are unfortunately sacrificable.

Everyone loses, its just a case of making sure the other guy can never get back up again.

Just like how several million deaths where considered acceptable losses in the cold war.

On this we agree...

I'll check about the patriot, but as far as I am aware nothing has ever been able to intercept an object at full-speed re-entry.

Fair point about the "duds", and anyway the ICBM is more expensive than the warhead it carries. But regarding distances - remember that ICBMs have to withstand re-entry heat, so they are incredibly well thermally sheilded anyway. For a small yield nuke in vacuum / rarified atmosphere would definitely have to be less than 100m away on detonation to get through the protective sheilding.
 
250+ posts about lethal weapons and not one mention of Chuck Norris..

the Internet trend has definitely moved on..

so..

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On this we agree...

I'll check about the patriot, but as far as I am aware nothing has ever been able to intercept an object at full-speed re-entry.

Fair point about the "duds", and anyway the ICBM is more expensive than the warhead it carries. But regarding distances - remember that ICBMs have to withstand re-entry heat, so they are incredibly well thermally sheilded anyway. For a small yield nuke in vacuum / rarified atmosphere would definitely have to be less than 100m away on detonation to get through the protective sheilding.

added a bit of info to the other post, but i don't think it would have to heat it to high enough to cause the heat shield to fail then but if it catches it part way through, or just before re-entry it would then be subjected to far higher temperatures than it normally would be, when combined with re-entry.

also this is a good whatch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vdzyqQIEAI

3 parts a documentary on what would happen if a single nuclear weapon hit London.

Although it says in a realistic scenario London would be hit over 30 times with weapons several mega tons in power.
 
Gau 8 for me,

The fact it can only fire for 3 seconds at a time, because the foreward thrust will cause the plane to stall is a well know urban myth.
 
So, if the F22 is so great and able to shoot planes down before they are seen, why has it got a machine gun to use???? just how far do bullets travel up in thin air? Loads of pilots will tell you the same thing, give us a plane with no guns and when we get into a dog fight, we are no use at all. I know, it can shoot planes many many miles away, but there will soon be counter measures to all its misiles and it only takes one plane to get through to gun range, then your toast...

For my vote, not sure its classed as hardware but id go for gunpowder.

ColiN

i think vietnam was one reason for keeping the gun.
 
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