Football Fixtures 15-16th December **Spoilers**

BaZ87 said:
Standard of our wide players still too far behind :( On the whole we defended well as did Utd and it was a pretty even game which was always going to be decided on either a set-play or dodgy decision etc which it ended up coming true.

Only real positive for us was Babel, maybe its about time he started a few games soon.
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Babel should be up front just behind Torres imo. Kuyt is a waste of space.
 
It would be fair to say I was a bag of nerves during that, but some of our players were awesome today.

VDS - Dodgy from crosses but kept hold of shots well.
Brown - Rubbish.
Ferdinand - World Class performance and had Torres figured out within 30 seconds.
Vidic - Superb.
Evra - Phenomenal.
Ronaldo - Poor.
Hargreaves - Epic performance.
Anderson - Unbelievable, had Gerrard in his pocket all day.
Giggs - Uninvolved in build ups, but there to break up play.
Rooney - Poor.
Tevez - Unending energy, brilliant.

Liverpool were very much all huff and puff with Babel being the only threat.
They got away with murder in some tackles, and got the benefit of all 50/50's, but I suppose every team does at some point.

Gerrard was rubbish, relegated to Free-Kick duty as Anderson had him in his back pocket all game and Hargreaves was incredible.
Mascherano is utter garbage, what exactly does he do that makes him so good? I hear Liverpool players bleat on and on, but I'm sorry, I don't see it and I definitely didn't see it today.
Kuyt is rubbish, Crouch did much more in a lot less time.
And as for Kewell.... ouch. Must hurt knowing you're paying him so much...

I thought Arbeloa and Hyypia did well for Liverpool, Riise competed well against Ronaldo (though having 3 players go to him all game was an annoyance :p). Torres worked hard too which is nice to see and he would have had more luck against a lesser CB.

But anyone who says Ferdinand isn't that good, or as good as Terry or even worthy of an England place should start watching him, because he's performed brilliantly for a long time, but today he was World Class and there is no doubt about that.
 
Kuyt was absolutely useless, again. I'd certainly give Babel a run of games, give him a chance to get his confidence higher and get used to playing with Torres. I'd say it would be a far more productive strike force than anything with Kuyt in it.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Troll much?

Congratulations United. Neither team played well and a draw would've been a fair result but it's games like this that separate the teams that will be fighting for the title and the teams that won't. 2 points against the top three teams at home just isn't good enough :(

Hope the Americans realise how far we are behind United and open their cheque books so we can sign real class in the positions we need it.
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I have seen nothing but how great Torres is, and how much he has improved Liverpool as a side, and how he is the one.
Sky had his face plastered all over the pre match stuff.

And he didnt threaten at all.
 
BaZ87 said:
You're right, i thought you got a booking for accumulation of fouls, he must have given away 10 or so :rolleyes:
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Wait... you're not aloud to compete? If Carragher had any strength instead of just hitting the deck maybe. Rooney isn't the best in the air though, but I wouldn't say he was always fouling.

Or maybe he was handballing?
Seems everyone who plays against Liverpool does all the time.

"Handball".
 
We were the better team in the first half imo.
However, in the 2nd Liverpool threw everything they had us at and I feel we were a little quick to sit back and look to soak up the pressure.
Against better teams, 45 minutes of such possession would likely prove costly.
Fortunately, Rio and vidic were great, and dominated Torres. Tbh, I could only see Liverpool scoring from another VDS error or a free kick.
Anderson and Hargreaves played very well, Ronaldo was quiet.
But it's not unusual for the top players to seem "off" against the better teams. It's happened to rooney, henry, gerrard etc many times. They get marked out of the game.
Moth for rio was well deserved but Tevez was a real lion today and maybe even looks like he has dropped a little weight?
 
Linoge said:
Babel should be up front just behind Torres imo. Kuyt is a waste of space.
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He's certainly not a great player to watch but he gets his fair share of goals and works extremely hard (his goals to game ratio is about the same if not better than Tevez's) but when he's bad he's terrible.

As for Babel, i wouldn't be suprised if long-term we start playing a 4-3-3 with Torres and then Babel and one other on the other wing, had Alonso been fit i expect we'd have played like that today.
 
atpbx said:
I have seen nothing but how great Torres is, and how much he has improved Liverpool as a side, and how he is the one.
Sky had his face plastered all over the pre match stuff.

And he didnt threaten at all.
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Fair enough but he didn't get ANY service. What did Ronaldo or Rooney do to deserve having their faces splashed all over the pre match stuff?
 
BaZ87 said:
He's certainly not a great player to watch but he gets his fair share of goals and works extremely hard (his goals to game ratio is about the same if not better than Tevez's) but when he's bad he's terrible.
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But it makes you think of how many more goals you'd score with a better player in place of him.
 
NokkonWud said:
Wait... you're not aloud to compete? If Carragher had any strength instead of just hitting the deck maybe. Rooney isn't the best in the air though, but I wouldn't say he was always fouling.
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One thing going to compete and another knowing you can't get the ball and either fly in with your elbow (like he done twice to Sami) or just clatter into the defender.
 
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