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AMD Delays Introduction of Next-Generation ATI R700 Graphics Chip
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This doesn't sound good but if they are going for the multi GPU approach they might not need new cores, but seeing as the current card carn't keep up with the G92 then they are going to need 4 of em just to keep up with Nvidias 9800GTX but you never know it might work....
Forget the high end for a second,, what about the low/midrange where ATI makes its money and has its market share. Dell et al will switch to Nvidia the second they become better and cheaper. If ATI do this then nVidia will simply destroy ATI because it will be so much easier to make a cheaper/more powerful card with newer tech and once nVidia own this arena they win the game cos at the moment it is all ATI have. I can't see ATI comming back from 0% market share after a break, it isn't worth it.
So the future of AMD in 2008 ia down to CPUs
Phenom is medicore at best, I can't beleive AMD bought ATI, they have literrly destroyed them, talk about taking someone down with you FFS.
Forget the high end for a second,, what about the low/midrange where ATI makes its money and has its market share. Dell et al will switch to Nvidia the second they become better and cheaper. If ATI do this then nVidia will simply destroy ATI because it will be so much easier to make a cheaper/more powerful card with newer tech and once nVidia own this arena they win the game cos at the moment it is all ATI have. I can't see ATI comming back from 0% market share after a break, it isn't worth it.
So the future of AMD in 2008 ia down to CPUs
Phenom is medicore at best, I can't beleive AMD bought ATI, they have literrly destroyed them, talk about taking someone down with you FFS.
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I can see what ATi are doing - they're slowly pulling more and more R&D away from the high end where there's little money to be made compared to the mid-range.
It creates a problem for me though - I now have three choices.
1) Buy the HD 3870XT2 or whatever it is next month, and take the chance that the performance is good enough, and driver and crossfire support is sound.
2) Downgrade to a 3870XT, although this will mean a performance loss.
3) Stick with the 8800GT, and it's absolutely balls-awful drivers.
It creates a problem for me though - I now have three choices.
1) Buy the HD 3870XT2 or whatever it is next month, and take the chance that the performance is good enough, and driver and crossfire support is sound.
2) Downgrade to a 3870XT, although this will mean a performance loss.
3) Stick with the 8800GT, and it's absolutely balls-awful drivers.
It doesn't work like that, you can't not put R&D into the high end, it is all or nothing. Unless this was the plan all along, they just wanted a bit of free graphics tech for the ultra low end intergrated market, I mean it is obvous where the industry is going, intel are banging on about intergrating graphics and if it were upto them everything onto the 1 chip. with smart phones on the up and laptops overtaking desktops too you can see what AMD want in on the action and it also fits nicely into the modular CPU idea.
Anyone know if Matrox have any plans?
Anyone know if Matrox have any plans?
NV drivers are not that bad..
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Just wait till we don't get any more till 2009, then you'll be crying.
New games are fine, it's just all the classics I love to play.
C&C - Crashes regularly with "Program has stopped responding".
RA - Same as above, plus when I activate radar the frame rate drops sharply and stays like that until I sell it.
TS - See Red Alert
DK2 - Black screens and reboots.
And don't get me started about AA support. My 2900XT couldn't do AA very well as it would hurt performance. But the GT just screws it up. The following games crash and/or show texture corrpution with AA.
AOE3
C&C3
CoD4
NFS Carbon
I would like to add that all these games worked brilliantly with my 2900XT. No complaints what-so-ever. I can understand that some of these are "old" games but if ATi can bother to code well enough to keep them working, why not nVidia?
C&C - Crashes regularly with "Program has stopped responding".
RA - Same as above, plus when I activate radar the frame rate drops sharply and stays like that until I sell it.
TS - See Red Alert
DK2 - Black screens and reboots.
And don't get me started about AA support. My 2900XT couldn't do AA very well as it would hurt performance. But the GT just screws it up. The following games crash and/or show texture corrpution with AA.
AOE3
C&C3
CoD4
NFS Carbon
I would like to add that all these games worked brilliantly with my 2900XT. No complaints what-so-ever. I can understand that some of these are "old" games but if ATi can bother to code well enough to keep them working, why not nVidia?
In that case you should have stuck with ATi since it's well known their drivers are more reliable for older applications or perhaps if you want to play so many older games you shouldn't spend 100+ on such cards anyway
In that case you should have stuck with ATi since it's well known their drivers are more reliable for older applications or perhaps if you want to play so many older games you shouldn't spend 100+ on such cards anyway
Well I play old stuff... but I also want some power for running newer stuff as well.
And I didn't know about the ATi support for older stuff being better either.
Delaying the r700 isn't necessarily a bad thing, no point releasing a card that cost them more to make and it slower than the Nvidia 9800 or similar equivalent, If they release another good performance card for the price (like the 8800GT and HD3870) while Nivida only has a £400 card out people will snap up one thats maybe 20% slower but 50% cheaper.
Funny that as im near sure that ati designed the gpu and microsoft got it manufactured, far as im aware it was a one time payment as ati aren't getting them manufactured and delivered to microsoft.
And you can thank nvidia for ati getting the contract as it was nvidia's unwillingness to move on the initial pricing structure that made microsoft tell them to eff off when it came to design the 360.
Mav makes it up for himself I thought you'd know this by now Gerard.
Whats all this BS about NV not releasing drivers untill 2009 coz they aint got no competition coz of ATi not releasing a card untill 2009, of course NV will be releasing drivers 
Odd, NFS Carbon ran fine for me with 16xAA/AF @1680x1050, dunno whats happening with your rig, looks like your like me except with a 8800GT complianing except I had a 2900 and was complaining because of the **** performance
Odd, NFS Carbon ran fine for me with 16xAA/AF @1680x1050, dunno whats happening with your rig, looks like your like me except with a 8800GT complianing except I had a 2900 and was complaining because of the **** performance
Not release a new next gen card in 2008....we seriously considering that to be the truth? Maybe they wont label it a next gen but I'm pretty sure we'll see some form of HD3*** series card, more than likely the 3950 and 3970 around the 2nd quarter next year.
Unfortunately it is from AMD. It's from their investor presentations. The slides are in the public domain on a number of sites..!
Simon