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AMD Delays Introduction of Next-Generation ATI R700 Graphics Chip

I wonder what Sapphire and other affiliate companies are thinking about this news? In 3-6 months time, are we going to start seeing Sapphire branded nvidia graphics cards/motherboards?

My other major concern revolves around support (mainly drivers) of existing equipment with the 2xxx and 3xxx series sku's. Are they (AMD) gonna be skaling back driver support in order to save money, or are they gonna focus on it being the cheaper option and attempt to fine tune their driver support for crossfire etc?

Another year is a long time for in the graphics world, I wonder seriously wonder what they are gonna do?

Matthew
 
Go to Dells website now and you'll have to work to find a machine that doesn't have Integrated Graphics. The times they are a changin' :)

High end add-in cards are not where the cash is. I'm really not suprised both Nvidia and ATI are slowing down.

6 month turnarounds were absolutely crazy, pumping out those huge unoptimized watt guzzeling toasters with massive die sizes and attached hairdryers. The GTX doesn't even fit in most chasis for Gods sake! How did that happen? And the state of the drivers, profiles for every game - what a mess! The driver programmers can't keep up. It was getting out of control, too expensive, and we were the ones who were funding it.

Nvidia and ATI were talking about slowing down the developement cycle, and I'm happy for that. Longer dev time means cheaper production, smaller, cooler cards and better drivers and performance.

Even if the new batch turn out to be expensive, well if it lasts a year than it's a far cheaper situation than we had before. It's a lovely thing not to have to upgrade your video card for over a year ;)
 
bfar said:
Go to Dells website now and you'll have to work to find a machine that doesn't have Integrated Graphics. The times they are a changin' :)
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That's because Dell doesn't traditionally build gaming machines. Their gaming machines have dedicated graphics cards because integrated graphics chips definitely are not the future, they're the stone age.

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High end add-in cards are not where the cash is. I'm really not suprised both Nvidia and ATI are slowing down.
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They don't lose money on the high-end graphics market, they simply produce less high-end graphics products.

Also, the reason they've slowed down is because ATI can't keep up since AMD bought them.

R600 was six months late to the market and because of this we had no G80 refreshes for a whole year. Aside from this we also had G80 prices staying high and no driver support, and now it looks like R700 won't even be out until 2009 so it only makes sense for Nvidia to slow down development and production.

bfar said:
6 month turnarounds were absolutely crazy, pumping out those huge unoptimized watt guzzeling toasters with massive die sizes and attached hairdryers. The GTX doesn't even fit in most chasis for Gods sake! How did that happen? And the state of the drivers, profiles for every game - what a mess! The driver programmers can't keep up. It was getting out of control, too expensive, and we were the ones who were funding it.
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It's not like it's not happened before (5700 Ultra) and once a die shrink or new architecture appears on the scene it's all sorted. We have die-shrinks galore this year so high-end products are due to become more efficient again.

G80 already became single slot and much more efficient with G82 (8800GT.)
 
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bfar> It should have been a year turnaround. It was just AMD were late to the party with the r600 (2xxx) meaning they only had 6 months cycle.

Bit drastic, but AMD should just sell ATI, and get a direct cash injection and refocus on CPU's again, and the new buyer can concentrate on financing GPU's with ATI. They can keep the company ties but it will help companies out in the short term.

Matthew
 
This is kind of a good and bad thing.

Good:
AMD will be taking longer on the graphics card and likely spending most of 2008 getting ATi back on their feet and into a state that is in proper competition with Nvidia and not falling short all the time like they have done with their 2900XT's and 3870XT's.

Bad:
9 series will cost more, no competition... unless they are delayed as Nvidia might delay them until Dec 08 because there is no competition and there's no need to spend time and money into making a new 9 series when ATi have a larger chance to blow it out the water 9 months later.
 
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9 series will cost more, no competition... unless they are delayed as Nvidia might delay them until Dec 08 because there is no competition and there's no need to spend time and money into making a new 9 series when ATi have a larger chance to blow it out the water 9 months later.
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It's more likely Nvidia will stick to a six-month development cycle this year as it's already apparent that D9E and D9P are both due before summer, in which case they'll still need something at the end of the year to counter whatever AMD are planning. As you said though it'll cost and there'll be very lazy (if any) driver support too.

It's just this year over again except this year Nvidia didn't actually have anything planned for the summer since ATI hadn't brought anything out at Christmas. This news from AMD is sudden and Nvidia already had plans.
 
Fudz is now reporting that the rumours of the R700 being delayed until 2009 are crapola and they're on course for a 2008 release.

Also, the G100 is set for a March release as per other thread
 
It was in their investor/analyst conference. Overclockers.com are reporting this as well, and simply put, they don't mess about with their news, and are normally spot on.

Matthew
 
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You know they're fighting the clock and probably a year behind NV anyway. Green team are holding back their releases whilst ATI will release as soon as they've got something they can sell. As soon as the R700 is ready, it'll get released and ATI know the sooner they can do this the better. I anticipate that the release date of the R700 will change every week from now until release.
 
I agree they should release it ASAP, but unfortunately you have to spend money to make money, and that's something AMD don't exactly have a lot of right now. They'd have to get support teams in place, sort out the fabs (or maybe construction areas or whatever if TSMC are doing it, and have money to pay them).

Releasing a product they can't fully focus on and support would be a worse disaster for amd than just staying put.

I just hope the won't go under after this first 6 month period is over.

Matthew
 
so i seen that they mis understood and the r700 IS coming out in 2008

"We got a confirmation that R7xx generation is on schedule for 2008 and it won't be shifted to 2009 as many journalist believes. Many journos made the assumption based on Mario Rivas presentation at Investor days.

Mario was talking about Leo platform and showed the slide with Leo platform that has R7xx based scheduled for 2009.

According to current plans R7xx parts in a platform are scheduled for 2009. This doesn’t mean that the discrete products will be late, but at least today it looks that ATI can delved them on time, at least at some point of 2008."
 
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