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AMD Delays Introduction of Next-Generation ATI R700 Graphics Chip
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Bang goes the 98's then, as they were supposedly following later after their next GX2 card in January, no bloody point now, ATi's own GX2 card is supposedly only gona compete with Nvidia's antique 8800 Ultra, and Nvidia's other GX2 is coming to take that on, so whats the point in 98's next year if ATi are not releasing a competitor to it till 2009, absolutely none, bad enough them scrapping drivers for a whole year, but canning cards as well, jesus, what a cracking year we've got coming, im really looking forward to it.
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You sir, are a tool.
LOW END AND INTEGRATED PARTS IS WHERE THE MONEY IS. ATI ARE NOT IN TROUBLE.
Stop posting utter ****. FFS
Actually, IGPs is where the moneys at. Midrange or lower descreets might be where the volume is but the margins are crap. On-board graphics have better margins and volumes that are at least as good. Fusion, anyone?
Now, other than the feed down effect of having a good high-end card, other platforms would porbably suffer as well, Xbox360 and the Wii use ATi chips....actually the Holywood chip from the Wii must be making AMD a few quid
As for investment into R&D, last month an invester put $622m into AMD stock ($608 net) theoretically at least some of that would go to R&D, but most probably went on corporate expenses. I heard a word of mouth rumour from The Netherlands this week that the ATi business is being used a crutch for the AMD CPU side where margins have been incredibly tight as a result of A64 chips being priced lower to compensate for the relative performance loss.
I would not find it difficult to imagine that the R700 is being held back to focus on getting the 45nm CPUs done properly.
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Yea you are looking forward to 2009 and your brand new 3870XT haha.
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Damn, got side tracked and forgot the bit about DAAMIT having bugger all share in that section of the market. Sorry dude. Anyway, if it performs well this is where a modular GPU (reputedly R700) as an element of a CPU package would make sense (Fusion). In theory it is blinding, a single R700 core as part of the CPU assembly could offer integrated graphics with all the features of a discrete part, at the right price the package would be stunning. It could give Intels IGPs a run for their money because without a Northbridge being required at all the mainboard cost should also be lower. But we shall see, we shall see.Hence the "And intergrated parts" bit
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If their GX2 cards are any good in January ill get one of them.
Hi,
If you guys are really into the financials, youc ould always look them up....
http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=AMD
http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=INTC
http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=NVDA
as the other guy was saying above, it appears entirely likely that AMD are concentrating on the core business of CPUs at the expemse of ATI GFX.
Furthremore, given that the original purchase price $5.6bn of ATI was over valued, maybe the ATI guys arent flavour of the month in the AMD boardroom:
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=AP&Date=20071213&ID=7933413&Symbol=NVDA
If you guys are really into the financials, youc ould always look them up....
http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=AMD
http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=INTC
http://moneycentral.msn.com/detail/stock_quote?Symbol=NVDA
as the other guy was saying above, it appears entirely likely that AMD are concentrating on the core business of CPUs at the expemse of ATI GFX.
Furthremore, given that the original purchase price $5.6bn of ATI was over valued, maybe the ATI guys arent flavour of the month in the AMD boardroom:
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?Feed=AP&Date=20071213&ID=7933413&Symbol=NVDA
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Based on what? current performance or paying way too much for ATi?
Current performance is just that, current. While it can have a negative effect on future revenues this isnt set in stone.
As for the ATi acquisition, they played like a bad gambler, when they were on a high they upped the stakes to more than they appear able to cover now that the run has ended.
In some ways they appear to have been short sighted, seemingly assuming that their products at the time would continue to see them right, and the strong growth in sales and revenues, together with income from ATi products and technologies, would cover the debt of the acquisition.
In other ways they have yet to be proved wrong, their long term plan isnt near completion, the integration of ATi has just, or is about to be, complete, so the product and marketing strategies based on the acquisition of ATi are yet to come to fruition. That said, nVidia's recent announcement that they want to take on Intel in the chipset sector will most likely throw a rather large spanner in those works. Their recent statement about returning to profitability in 2008 seems less likely with this product delay.
You can't look at one company and what it is doing today and say that it is doomed, you need to look at what it plans to do tomorrow, and what it's rivals plan to do, then you can say that it is doomed. While I wouldnt say AMD is doomed yet, it will not have an easy ride for the foreseeable future. They seriously need to make very few mistakes with their marketing and products for beyond the foreseeable future.
What I will say is this, and I dislike saying it at all, if AMD's upcoming products and strategies were as strong as they would have you believe, why hasn't someone attempted to buy them up while their stock is incredibly inexpensive?
Firstly for paying so much for ATI, like you said they played it like a bad gambler and it's cost them.
Secondly for a.) having such a horrible year and b.) for next year looking no better.
I've been saying for a while now that AMD is going to have to retreat from the high-end graphics market for a while to make up for their horrible management this year, looks like I was right.
Where did I say anyone was doomed? Please quote me because I don't see it.
What I did say was that AMD are retards, and their business decisions of the last year shows it.
I rarely say this so bluntly but you just sound like some kind of fanboy to me, going instantly on the defensive like that and being so quick to flag-wave your pet company. Putting words in my mouth says it all.
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The top and bottom of it all is ATi are going for a different image to that we all used to know and love (Pre AMD buyout), shame but they must be doing it for a reason, they aren't idiots despite what we all think there is much more to it.
This is obviously going to massively change the whole market in 08 and not exactly good times for us high end consumers.
This is obviously going to massively change the whole market in 08 and not exactly good times for us high end consumers.
Yeah, the Geforce 9 Series is never going to have any drivers and is going to cost a bomb.
Bang on.
Also no chance of the 9 series coming till late 08 now, I'd expect the next card will be D9E and that'll be our lot (the GX2 8800 card)
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Heh, I run everything here, DAAMIT, Intel, nVidia, hell I even have a Matrox triple head in use. If you read the details in my last post you should find it fairly neutral since it defends AMD for some things and damns them for others. In fact if you just read the last line you would have a hard time justifying the fanboy tag :\Firstly for paying so much for ATI, like you said they played it like a bad gambler and it's cost them.
Secondly for a.) having such a horrible year and b.) for next year looking no better.
I've been saying for a while now that AMD is going to have to retreat from the high-end graphics market for a while to make up for their horrible management this year, looks like I was right.
Where did I say anyone was doomed? Please quote me because I don't see it.
What I did say was that AMD are retards, and their business decisions of the last year shows it.
I rarely say this so bluntly but you just sound like some kind of fanboy to me, going instantly on the defensive like that and being so quick to flag-wave your pet company. Putting words in my mouth says it all.
A line break after the fourth line would have probably caused less confusion, but meh tbh
Bang on.
Also no chance of the 9 series coming till late 08 now, I'd expect the next card will be D9E and that'll be our lot (the GX2 8800 card)
The dual card will be D8E, just as G92 is D8P and G96 will be D8M.
D9E is the new single chip card...
Didn't appear so to me the way you rushed into action to say I'm unfairly "dooming" them.
Like I said; Putting words in my mouth says volumes, and when someone does so I simply can't take them seriously. If you simply made a faulty assumption about what I was saying, that's not my fault.
