since when was not being able to say "God Damn" a infringement of freedom of speach? it doesnt say anything A) constructive B) relevent to the context it is regularly used in.
why do we blank out the word god?
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since when was not being able to say "God Damn" a infringement of freedom of speach? it doesnt say anything A) constructive B) relevent to the context it is regularly used in.
do as you will
But how are we supposed to know what is and what isn't offensive? The fact is most people, religious or not, won't find blasphemy offensive. When it's in the form of "god damn" or something similar anyway. Something that seems completely innocent to most people might be offensive to a small amount of people. If we say blasphemy isn't ok because it might offend a few people, where do we stop?
thing is, "God damn" is more offensive than most swear words.
im not saying people who say "god damn" should be prosecuted.
also the real meaning behind "god damn" is serious, although like you say, if you don't beleive in various things, then it isn't to you.
I rest my case.
Only to a small minority of people. The majority of people wouldn't consider it offensive at all.
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god damn means nothing to me. I usually swear if i'm angry, then surely the point is to say something that may provoke a reaction.
Didn't god supposedly create everything....even damnation?
Wow....what a paradox......
In recent years i've heard 2 great one liners that i like to use in religious debates, just to fuel the fire it ya know?!
"yes, i do believe in god, and i wish he'd come down here and fight like a man!"
"When you do get to see god, tell him i'm very angry with him!"
Didn't god supposedly create everything....even damnation?
Wow....what a paradox......
In recent years i've heard 2 great one liners that i like to use in religious debates, just to fuel the fire it ya know?!
"yes, i do believe in god, and i wish he'd come down here and fight like a man!"
"When you do get to see god, tell him i'm very angry with him!"
only becasue the "vast majority" don't really know what they are saying.
maybe not the vast majority but a lot of people don't.
and it's level of offensiveness is your word against mine, it's a bit childish to keep debating that.
no.
the Bible clearly says God made the woreld perfect, and by giving Human's free will, humans brought sin into the world and ruined it.
that's beside the point - purposefully insulting people without justification is a bit of a knobbish thing to do.
I've got a few Christian friends, and I've been known to accidentally 'oh God!' or 'Jesus Christ!' in their presence - they've been ok with it because I apologised for any offence, and said that I meant nothing by it.
It boils down to what sort of person you are, and your audience - if you'll potentially offend a lot of your audience with something, it's polite not to do it (I think bleeping it out is redundant in this context because the deed's been done and I would imagine that the deed is the important part, not someone hearing the words!) - if you're not polite then don't censor/apologise, if you are then it's a no-brainer
edit: yantorsen - I agree with everything you've said in this thread, but I think you're wasting your energy trying to debate it - most people on here are using their fingers to block their ears, not to type a worthy response
Yes but most of the time they don't purposefully use blasphemy to insult people. They do it because it's become a part of every day language that most people don't find offensive.
Well you've explained to me what it means and I still don't find it offensive. I doubt many people are going to suddenly find it offensive when they know what it means.
There's a lot of things that a lot of people might find offensive but the vast majority don't. What makes blasphemy special?
It's level of offensiveness is completely a personal thing. It would be stupid to deny that you, and perhaps quite a few religious people, do find it very offensive. But that doesn't change the fact that most people don't find it offensive. There is no absolute measure of how offensive something is, only relative to each individual.
I'd really love to read that, can you email me it?
"Yes but most of the time they don't purposefully use blasphemy to insult people. They do it because it's become a part of every day language that most people don't find offensive."
unfortunatly that is the way it has become.
"Well you've explained to me what it means and I still don't find it offensive. I doubt many people are going to suddenly find it offensive when they know what it means."
that's because most people don't beleive that what it actually means is true.
"There's a lot of things that a lot of people might find offensive but the vast majority don't. What makes blasphemy special?"
well i think that is fairly clear, and you know the nswer yourself.
"It's level of offensiveness is completely a personal thing. It would be stupid to deny that you, and perhaps quite a few religious people, do find it very offensive. But that doesn't change the fact that most people don't find it offensive. There is no absolute measure of how offensive something is, only relative to each individual."
its ofensive because it is ofensive to God, and obviously different people find different things more ofensive than others. that's a bit of a non-point really.
and I think Sic hit's the nail on the head really.
unfortunatly that is the way it has become.
"Well you've explained to me what it means and I still don't find it offensive. I doubt many people are going to suddenly find it offensive when they know what it means."
that's because most people don't beleive that what it actually means is true.
"There's a lot of things that a lot of people might find offensive but the vast majority don't. What makes blasphemy special?"
well i think that is fairly clear, and you know the nswer yourself.
"It's level of offensiveness is completely a personal thing. It would be stupid to deny that you, and perhaps quite a few religious people, do find it very offensive. But that doesn't change the fact that most people don't find it offensive. There is no absolute measure of how offensive something is, only relative to each individual."
its ofensive because it is ofensive to God, and obviously different people find different things more ofensive than others. that's a bit of a non-point really.
and I think Sic hit's the nail on the head really.
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it's over 3 audio files, I can email them to you yes.
there .mov files, so you'd need quicktime to play them too btw.
what is your email?
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Oh in that case it must be true
Do you religious folk not ever feel that you're being had on? That someone's having a laugh with you by getting you to read a very old collection of stories and telling you its the 'truth' ?
I mean, come on, do you all really believe Noah lived for 950 years?
Or isn't the christian way to pick and choose what they want to believe to serve their own purpose?
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that's also not the point!
ok im just doing it now
it's specifically about points that Richard Dawkins, makes in his book "The God Delusion".
Oh in that case it must be true
Do you religious folk not ever feel that you're being had on? That someone's having a laugh with you by getting you to read a very old collection of stories and telling you its the 'truth' ?
I mean, come on, do you all really believe Noah lived for 950 years?
Or isn't the christian way to pick and chose what they want to believe to server their own purpose?
I could say the same to you, do you really beleive we decended from monkeys??
seriously though, listen to that debate I mentioned it covers a lot of the basic points you keep bringing up.
How is asking 'god' to damn someone offensive to 'god'?
It's a request, not an insult.
And can I have an actual answer not 'you know why' or 'it just is' please.
I have seen the video of them debating and it is largely pointless, they just go back and fourth with neither one willing to budge.