why do we blank out the word god?

yantorsen said:
yes it has mistakes in it, but no mistakes in it are critical, eve the virgin mary one if that is a mistake its not even critical to the christian message.
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The mistakes are critical if you believe in an omniscient God, which, as a Christian, I assume you do. An omniscient God can't make mistakes so you'll have to find an explanation for them.

The Christian belief is based on the fact that the bible is the word of God. If some parts can be ignored (such as the contradictions) which parts do you follow and which do you not? Is homosexuality a sin or not? It's in the bible but maybe that's a mistake as well and not necessary for the Christian message?

The most likely scenario is that the mistakes are present because man wrote the bible without any help from God.

yantorsen said:
yes there is, if you think personal acounts can be evident? (inc. ones not in the bible or even by christians, but by Romans.) if you don't then there isn't.
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Personal accounts can be evidence. Although it's unlikely in this circumstance that it would sway my mind. I'm curious though, please tell me where the personal account is documented that comments on Jesus' supernatural ability.
 
The mistakes are critical if you believe in an omniscient God, which, as a Christian, I assume you do. An omniscient God can't make mistakes so you'll have to find an explanation for them.

but the humans made the mistakes not God?
 
Jet said:
The most likely scenario is that the mistakes are present because man wrote the bible without any help from God.
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well the main christian message isnt doesnt really have much to do with morals.

the mistakes are present because it was written through lots of different men, the chances of one making a slight mistake somewhere is likely, but there are no critical mistakes, because anything critical they all agree on.
 
yantorsen said:
The mistakes are critical if you believe in an omniscient God, which, as a Christian, I assume you do. An omniscient God can't make mistakes so you'll have to find an explanation for them.

but the humans made the mistakes not God?
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When writing it you mean? Well again, God is omniscient so he would have either knew in advance that they would make the mistake or know the instant they did. Either way nothing can slip through the net of an omniscient God, he knows everything.
 
Jet said:
The mistakes are critical if you believe in an omniscient God, which, as a Christian, I assume you do. An omniscient God can't make mistakes so you'll have to find an explanation for them.

The Christian belief is based on the fact that the bible is the word of God. If some parts can be ignored (such as the contradictions) which parts do you follow and which do you not? Is homosexuality a sin or not? It's in the bible but maybe that's a mistake as well and not necessary for the Christian message?

The most likely scenario is that the mistakes are present because man wrote the bible without any help from God.



Personal accounts can be evidence. Although it's unlikely in this circumstance that it would sway my mind. I'm curious though, please tell me where the personal account is documented that comments on Jesus' supernatural ability.
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I have books (well my dads books) of these acounts, but they are only from various acient roman writings from various romans, im sure you could find some on the internet, and im sure you are just as handy at google as i am.
 
yantorsen said:
well the main christian message isnt doesnt really have much to do with morals.

the mistakes are present because it was written through lots of different men, the chances of one making a slight mistake somewhere is likely, but there are no critical mistakes, because anything critical they all agree on.
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How do you know there are no critical mistakes?

How do you know they all agreed?

What is a critical part of the bible that has no contradictions because it's so critical?
 
Jet said:
When writing it you mean? Well again, God is omniscient so he would have either knew in advance that they would make the mistake or know the instant they did. Either way nothing can slip through the net of an omniscient God, he knows everything.
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he know's everything, but doesnt mean he wouldnt let it "slip through", besides something that trivial could easliy have happened over time.
 
How do you know they all agreed?

well there plenty of sources in and out of the bible that agree.

What is a critical part of the bible that has no contradictions because it's so critical?

that fact that Jesus was reserected?
 
we live in a Western society (therefore founded supposedly on christian laws) and you find the laws to just be based on morals which we dont need a book to tell us i asume, you consider our morals normal..
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You've just said that are laws are based on Christian laws, yet you said we don't look to the bible to consider what is moral. We do because our laws are based on it.. As for morals that's up to the individual, not laws/religious laws. For example marriage, why can't a husband have more than one wife? Or the other way round? I assume there's some text in the bible about 1 man, marrying 1 wife. Therefore it's encrouched onto our laws. I am sure there are many things that people do that are legal, yet are frowned upon the church. But in the Church had there way (which they did hundreds of years ago) they would punish those severely.

but in the middle east where there is islamic law, people consider that normal and moral standard. but you probably wouldnt.
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It doesn't matter what I think, the point is there religion has laid down laws, based on religion. In exactly the same we have. The most powerful religios group in each country has power over goverments (over time) to enforce there agenda over the goverment and populace.
 
You've just said that are laws are based on Christian laws, yet you said we don't look to the bible to consider what is moral.

no i said most athiests dont think they need to. well thats what i meant anyway.
 
yantorsen said:
do you understand free will? if so im surprised you state this.
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1.God is omniscient
2.Since God is omniscient, He is also infallible.
3.If God has infallible foreknowledge that tomorrow you will engage in event X, then you will freely choose this based on your free will, not obligation or lack of choice in event X.
4.You still have free will to engage in event X; God merely knows your choice before you make it. You are not obliged to make choice 'X' anymore than choice 'A'. If you were going to change your mind, God would have seen that also, so you still have full free will in all matters. Also, you will still make the same choices [with free will] even if God chose to not see the future. Seeing the future or not does not alter your free will.
 
What is a critical part of the bible that has no contradictions because it's so critical?

that fact that Jesus was reserected?
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A person being resurrected 3 days, on a piece of paper written down by word of mouth, folklore and chinese whispers after death is not a "fact"
How come religious people aren't locked in a mental asylum? If I were to write down insane scribblings I would be locked up (Moses) but if I brainwashed dozens if not hundreds of people would that mean I'm now a prophet, and everything I say and do is divine?
 
you are confusing "the church" with christianity :)

in what you said about if the church had there way they would punish ppl, that is another case of corruption.
 
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yantorsen said:
he know's everything, but doesnt mean he wouldnt let it "slip through", besides something that trivial could easliy have happened over time.
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He may well have let it slip through. But maybe he let homosexuality is a sin slip through as well. Or any other statement in the bible. The only reason we can see the contradictions is because they are obvious. What isn't obvious is the case where a statement is wrong but God lets it slip by as well. We would never know that it was a mistake.

yantorsen said:
well there plenty of sources in and out of the bible that agree.
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Obviously sources in the bible can't be provided as evidence. History is written by the victors. All the bible may show is the majority view or the view after those disagreeing were killed or silenced.

Sources outside the bible that the authors agreed on everything? Source?
 
yantorsen said:
hmmm... perhaps there's more to it then....
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Yes, religion has dictated in society that people that believe in these "things" which defy rational thought are perfectly sane.

If I told people I believe in a 6' rabbit named Harvey I'll be locked up. Yet religious people aren't. Mad.
 
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