yes if you fall on hard times you will be entitled to that rebate as i put it
But CTC isn't for people who have fallen on hard times is it, you can earn x amount and still qualify for this "rebate"
CTC does anyone know how much you get for 3 kids?
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But CTC isn't for people who have fallen on hard times is it, you can earn x amount and still qualify for this "rebate"
i think it tails off at about 30k and wtc stops at about 14.5k but imho its a good safety net and why not get a good living for taking a crappy job
The trouble with tax credits is that it's a way for the government to say "hey, you're on the minimum wage but that's clearly not a living wage" without increasing the minimum wage and then say "here, have some relief on the tax you pay to make things a bit fairer" without actually administering it in the form of tax relief.
They're retarded at every turn.
They're retarded at every turn.
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Eastern Europeans.
i can see your point, in my case i was just greatfull losing my job this year to be able to carry on with a crappy warehousejob (got a good one now) knowing that my kids are ok well fed . one at bangor uni ect with a roof over our heads , so for me the safety net kicked in
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I would suggest you probably are not - what do you do for a living? I seem to remember it being something in IT. Note that 'Working Class' has traditionally reffered to those doing manual labour for reasonably low pay and not people like yourself in the service industry on a salary which is sufficient to support a house, BMW 330Ci, and a nice TV.
GSXRMovistar you talk a lot of sense. The government are punishing people who work hard in life and almost encouraging people to put no effort in and just live off others. If the benefit system was redesigned and only given to people who actually NEED them (disabled for example), then in the long term I'm sure the country would see the benefits (no pun intended).
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Oh okay, my view on 'working class' was someone that needed to work for a living to provide living requirements (House/food/clothes/transport/etc...) as opposed to someone that may have been born into money or have a business passed to them (requiring no real input from themselves).[TW]Fox;10824086 said:
To be honest this is a bit naive.
I think its generally agreed that theres problems with the tax credit and bennefits system for sprogs, but really, just because someones on 14k what makes you think their work is easier than someone whos on 30-60k?
Im sorry but its not all about who works harder etc, some people just have less opportunitys and these benefits are in general supposed to make the less fortunates lives easier.
Some of us have worse education just because of where we were born etc, or have limited opportunitys in further education or employment solely for our geographical location.
These bennefits per child are pennies anyway, and they help a lot of familys out. Without these benefits some parents may see not working as more financially be feasable, a parents friend now only works part time as if she worked full time she would be more out of pocket than she is now part time.
She wants to work fulltime, as she always had, but really theres no choice is there? I would definately prefer having more money and time with my child than being poorer and having less time. For the record though she volunteers in her spare time for a charity or something, effictively meaning she has fulltime hours.
For the people saying they are on something like 50k moaning that they want these benefits - you dont need them, its pennies compared to your wages, you're general life is more luxurious than lower income people claiming these benefits, these hardly buy them lavious mansions and holidays(yes some people say they spend them on holidays, but family holidays, my family holidays were character building, and educational in the sense i experienced new cultures, it made me ambitious because i want to travel, and i plan on having property abroad)
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No, this is not working class. People born into money and thus with no need to ever work, ie those with titles and suchlike, are usually 'upper' class which was typical reserved for aristocrats.
You are, I would say, middle class. Even the higher middle classes need to work for a living.
Everyone has opportunities to be successful, some get it easier than others but nevertheless everyone gets a chance. There are people who have grown up in a council estate with just one parent who have become millionaires through their own hard work. If people knew they had to work hard throughout their life to fund their own/children's existence you can bet you'll see an overall improvement in the quality of life in this country.
my dad grew up in a council estate with his 8brothers and 1 sister, his dad died when most of them were young as far as i know.
He became an electrician and can do plumbing etc at the age of about 16-17 working for the local council. He has worked hard all his life and done odd jobs in his spare time for 'friends' and received 'donations' for the work and he is now 59, hes been promoted to some sort of technical manager now, which was hard work.
But he definately isnt on a massive wage, and hes definately worked hard etc.
It purely depends on what opportunitys people get, he got an apprentiship, great opportunity for him. done well. Some becomes millionares yes, but lets face it, not many do.
And lets face it, some kids that are born better off become spongers etc.
Some hard workers dont get a break in life, and have problems, things go wrong, these benefits then become helpful.
I dont think the child benefits system is massively to blame for the QoL in this country, it needs altering a bit but generally people are entitled to the benefits, and the rich shouldnt be so fussy about it, they dont actually need it. If they did, theyd get it, then they wouldnt be complaining. Its not like the familys are using it to buy big houses like their own, or flashy cars etc.
Im from north east england, I have seen how tough life can be from people around me, im fairly lucky as iv been brought up in a financially stable home, but not everyone has.
The average wage in hartlepool is something like 12-14k, yea theres a lot of doley scum etc, but in general its hard to find a decent job, and theres no real decent education in the town. a lot of people wind up in dead end jobs, they work hard and are valuable cogs in the countrys day to day workings and economy, but they are not paid well due to lack of education, or lack of skill.
Do you want to be able to ring your phone company in 40years time and talk to a UK based person, or would you prefer the people that end up having no choice but to work these jobs dont have children because they just cannot afford it, and then in turn there are no british people to then do this job.
Or would you prefer these people(some of who'm will take great pride in their work and work extremely hard) get paid £40,000k? its not exactly a skilled job.
Lifes tough really, tough luck to the high earners that you are helping to pay for other peoples kids, but these people, and their kids most probably do not live a life as lavious as the high earners. And they will most likely grow up to take lower paid jobs than yourself, and become a valuable part of your everyday life, serving you in some way or another.
Great post, totally agree. I personally have no problem in some of my tax going to help people, who are themselves workers, in the form of tax benefits. My only problem is people who don't work and don't try, or try hard enough, to find a job, and get paid a relatively large amount of benefits for doing **** all.
agreed, mother is a teacher in a school at that takes a lot of dodgey kids, was telling me about some of them saying "wouldnt dare get a job" when they were discussing careers, since they come from familys with generations of unemployed, they can get holidays etc.
These are the people that take the mik, but its all the benefits combined, not the child benefits.
These are the people that take the mik, but its all the benefits combined, not the child benefits.
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You cannot apply such old class boundries anymore.
I work in IT so I am middle class??? Even if I earn less than a traditional working class job? I didn't start with anything, my parenst maybe helped me buy a car for my birthday.. I had to earn everything i own all by myself, no higher or special extra education than someone who was born in a council house I just have my non inbread genes to help me and I work hard. If people in the "working class" as you put it worked as hard as me and have the brainpower also then they can do exactly the same.
I really disagree with benefits, they should be available in times of need for short periods or to thos disabled and unable to work but permanent benefits for people that have been stupid and have had too many kids just make people lazy.
But all the dolies probably vote labour, why do what is best for the country if it might risk you losing the election?
And as said above, people get dependant on them, the kids see it as normal and the fact that we reward them for having more kids magnifies the problem further. It is so obviously stupid imo that I can't understand how ignorant the government can be,
I would rather they just reduced tax. I imagine you all feel the same pain as me when you look at your wage, realise over 1/3 of it has vanished each month, and then when you spend it there goes another 17% and you better had spend it before you die or there goes 50%
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The old class system is pretty much
Working - rent or council
Middle - home owners
Upper - Own estates/simply dont worry about money.
They are not benefits anyway, its simply a tax credit
I can afford kids pretty much, but I dont appreciate all the negative attitudes to 'benefits'. I get working tax credits, child tax credits and child benefit... So what?
Working - rent or council
Middle - home owners
Upper - Own estates/simply dont worry about money.
They are not benefits anyway, its simply a tax credit
I can afford kids pretty much, but I dont appreciate all the negative attitudes to 'benefits'. I get working tax credits, child tax credits and child benefit... So what?
