Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds as though its a different issue to the one under discussion.
For or against corporal punishment in schools ?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounds as though its a different issue to the one under discussion.
Crime and unruliness amongst youth would disappear then if everyone beat their kids and schools were allowed to use the cane etc?
It keeps them in line in class, so to not ruin it for the rest of the class (which are after all the important ones). They may learn to 'stfu' and get on with school, they may still be thick, but if they try they will come out with some prospects. Or they'll keep quite.
Also it lets them know there are people out there who don't take their behaviour and will act on it.
seriously why bother?
it costs what 60k to get those kids an E in something they will forget in a week, when they clearly don't want to be there, send em out to get a job.
Thats entirley differnt
like others have said, theres a huge differance between being physicly abused and having a smack on the bottom!
some kids are physicly abused by there peers in school, this could also be stopped by corporal punishment, wouldnt you prefer it as someone who was abused to see the bad apples getting what they deserve and the hard workers being left alone?
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They can't get a job can they, under 16 and all. The jobs that most of them do have/have had are drug dealing etc. which doesn't help things now does it?
Lots of the kids actually thank the staff at the school once they leave/have been out in the world as they have been taught enough to actually get by in life, properly and make something of themselves. Unlike in mainstream where they are told they are thick, and just don't bother.
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I wouldn't want anyone hitting a child of mine, but there again I would ensure that any kids I have were properly brought up and disciplined. Corporal punishment is a weak yearning for the so-called "good old days" when "children respected their elders", while I suspect the answer to child indiscipline lies elsewhere, mostly with the parents.
Also, while my claims that any child of mine would be properly brought up suggest that it would avoid any punishment throughout school, that doesn't legislate for the sadistic teacher. Everyone has met several of these during their school days. Those who relish the power to mete out punishment. I was once given 4 sides of thin-lined A4 lines to do for forgetting my ruler on a day where it wasn't even needed. This is the sort of teacher who would belt even the best of pupils for a minor indiscretion, and the sort of teacher I would likewise belt for doing it to my kid.
Also, while my claims that any child of mine would be properly brought up suggest that it would avoid any punishment throughout school, that doesn't legislate for the sadistic teacher. Everyone has met several of these during their school days. Those who relish the power to mete out punishment. I was once given 4 sides of thin-lined A4 lines to do for forgetting my ruler on a day where it wasn't even needed. This is the sort of teacher who would belt even the best of pupils for a minor indiscretion, and the sort of teacher I would likewise belt for doing it to my kid.
Definately for. We had it, you learned how much you could lark about, but you got on with your education. If you were a problem you got dealt with, and you didn't interupt others learning when it happened.
This modern idea of giving them the occasional detention (with no punishment for non complience) is laughable. If they have no decipline, knock it into them.
Having fun teachers who go with the flow and teach most people is good, teachers who put the fear of god into you and teach everybody are better.
This modern idea of giving them the occasional detention (with no punishment for non complience) is laughable. If they have no decipline, knock it into them.
Having fun teachers who go with the flow and teach most people is good, teachers who put the fear of god into you and teach everybody are better.
if they get a bottom grade in a gcse they haven't really learnt that much, get them declared an adult an let them get on with it.
Exactly, people have been saying this for thousands of years, when they're a generation older than the kids of the day.
Damage is already done. If punishment is brought back i think pupils will just take knives etc to school.
Teacher slapped me around the head so i did the same. Teacher punched me so i stabbed him/her.
Now if they punished parents for childrens behaviour thats the way to go. Video footage of child being naughty = £100 fine (or whatever) for parents. This results in parents getting annoyed with child and punishing them at home/not paying phone bill etc etc
Teacher slapped me around the head so i did the same. Teacher punched me so i stabbed him/her.
Now if they punished parents for childrens behaviour thats the way to go. Video footage of child being naughty = £100 fine (or whatever) for parents. This results in parents getting annoyed with child and punishing them at home/not paying phone bill etc etc
If we get the discipline right from the beginning then there is no need for CP in secondary school if a child is hit by a teacher is secondary school then surely they just won't return to school which will just leave another problem to be sorted.
I think it would be regulated, not just here you go Mr jones go beet the living **** out of your class we won't even question it.
Could be done where when a person does something enough to deserve punishment its done in assembly by the headteacher.
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Hmmm, wandering off topic really aren't we.
My point was more just the fact that the kids that are really bad, and receiving an education are now being put back into schools where they quite clearly are not going to get one. But that in itself is off topic anyway.
There certinaly should be some form of punishment other than putting people in a quite room. I know when I got hit at school by another pupil I was put in 'ECR' (Emergency Cover Room, or something). I got treated as if I'd done something, and I hadn't, other than received a punch. But what I got was the rest of the day out of lessons, just got to sit there and doss about, as did the person that hit me, not really punishment.
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i agree with cp cant see anything wrong with it aslong as it isnt abused and overused it'll then teach the kids some respect and that things come back to you when you misbehave unlike now when a 12yr old can stab some one and get a slep on the wrist they know they have no barriers stopping them from doing anything. and the first adult that tries to enforce some sort of punishment finds themselves on the wrong side of the law. i'm all for national service being re introduced aswel .
i wasnt alive in those "good old days" i went through school where kids disrupted my education, they would talk back to the teachers, smoke where ever they wanted on the school grounds, even hit a teacher if needs be
in the past 10 years its been the same thing, having been a student at the same school i now work at i can definately say its getting worse and worse, sure theres the problem of sadistic people and doing mroe harm than is nessacary but this is why in this day and age we should be able to implement something where things like that have a very slim chance of happening
for example, a set 2 or 3 people in a school who are aloud to carry out the corporal punishments, and close inspection of those people for being fit to do the dutys, not just simply "every teacher can now hit the little brat, enjoy"
Im all for it!
Never did me or my mates any long term harm when we were at school and got the ruler or "six of the best" with the cane.
I think the kids of today would be actually shocked if they saw one of their classmates stood at the front of the room getting wacked with a cane or ruler,the system is far to soft on them.
Never did me or my mates any long term harm when we were at school and got the ruler or "six of the best" with the cane.
I think the kids of today would be actually shocked if they saw one of their classmates stood at the front of the room getting wacked with a cane or ruler,the system is far to soft on them.
