There are 100s of bands as 'good' as Oasis

Carzy said:
Still, I think the point to realise is that Oasis make one kind of song, and that's it, which is what people are getting at. Good artists have the skill to produce a variety of different songs, and not just rehash the same old rubbish. Nothing wrong with having a few songs that have a similar style, but when the entirety of your career is made up of one idea looped over and over, that's when you have no merit.
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Then you haven't listened to enough Oasis. But of course why would you want to waste your time doing something silly like that ;) Which then makes you rather less qualified to remark that 'Oasis make one kind of song'; they may not have experimented to the same degree as Radiohead, for example, but they certainly haven't always made the same songs.
 
chronicbint said:
Majority of metal bands is just thrashy guitars and shouting and sounds very similar.
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Wrong. 'Metal' is an ICREDIBLY diverse genre.
Genres of dance music all sound similar.
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Wrong. See above.
Jazz artists can sound similar from one song to the next.
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Jazz, possibly the single genre with the most ability and diversity since the dawn of man sounds quite similar from track to track...?

Seriously, leave the thread. You have no understanding of music, genres within music and musical ability, and what's worse is that you keep demonstrating it.

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You have clearly have not understood what I said you arrogant buffoon :)

Genres of dance music. Such as lots of drum and bass sounds similar, lots of house sounds similar, lots of hardcore sounds similar. This also applies to a lot of modern day band music.

Now, the doors over there so we can have a decent discussion.
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So essentially the crux of your argument is that 'all bands in genre A sound like other bands in genre A'

**** ME, SHERLOCK! What the hell do you think a genre is?

*n
 
Gilly said:
I like rock, I like dance, I like classical and jazz and pop and even some opera. I can think of songs and pieces of music in every single genre, but turn the distortion up and the skill level down and I switch off. It becomes noise. I can even get with grunge to a certain extent, because a lot of the time you can pick up on the fact that it is taking skills to make the sounds they do, but metal (particularly death metal, thrash metal, etc) is just noise. I don't credit it enough to acknowledge the fact that it is music because you can't hear any!
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If you can't hear music in metal then you have to be educated as to what music is.

As for metal having 'the skill level turned down', come on...You're more intelligent than that.

*n
 
penski said:
If you can't hear music in metal then you have to be educated as to what music is.
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Please, try to be a little more condescending with the next post.

penski said:
As for metal having 'the skill level turned down', come on...You're more intelligent than that.
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I won't budge. Better men than you have tried. Keep your Metallicas and Black Sabbaths, they're turgid rubbish.

As I've said before, I know there are talented musicians within the metal genre. Unfortunately (for the genre) it also has the vast majority of untalented ones too, and you can rarely tell the difference.
 
chronicbint said:
Majority of metal bands is just thrashy guitars and shouting and sounds very similar.


And people saying I have no knowledge of music, huh the hell are you talking about :)
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I agree in that the majority of 'metal' that hits the mainstream sounds the same, so if you're judging it no the strength of those bands you'd be forgiven for thinking it wasn't diverse. However, if you scratch the surface you'll find some incredibly talented and original bands.
 
Gilly said:
It becomes noise. I can even get with grunge to a certain extent, because a lot of the time you can pick up on the fact that it is taking skills to make the sounds they do, but metal (particularly death metal, thrash metal, etc) is just noise.
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There is an insane amount of talent behind a lot of death metal. However, to the uninitiated it would just sound like a wall of sound. You really are tarring the entire genre with the same brush through ignorance - still, I don't mean that in a negative way since its understandable.
 
Carzy said:
I hate Black Sabbath, but I don't think of them as just noise. Do you?
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I'm about as far from a Sabbath fan as you'll find on these fora...

But...

Gilly. Listen to this then come back and tell me that you hear ZERO musical ability, ZERO technical ability, ZERO instrumental flair and nothing but noise...

If you do then you need to get your ears checked.

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Gilly said:
I like rock, I like dance, I like classical and jazz and pop and even some opera. I can think of songs and pieces of music in every single genre, but turn the distortion up and the skill level down and I switch off. It becomes noise. I can even get with grunge to a certain extent, because a lot of the time you can pick up on the fact that it is taking skills to make the sounds they do, but metal (particularly death metal, thrash metal, etc) is just noise. I don't credit it enough to acknowledge the fact that it is music because you can't hear any!
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Fair enough if you don't like metal but implying it doesn't take skills to make the sounds they do because it sounds like "noise" to you is a little narrow minded. Take the following for example and listen to it to the end and then say it is just noise without skill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5YEqmIIdj8&feature=related

That's from Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects - Sol Niger Within the first solo release from Thordendal who is the lead guitarist for Meshuggah, who in turn are arguably one of the greatest experimental tech metal bands out there right now. That's just one corner in an immense labyrinth of subgenres and styles that make up metal music. It's an odd genre for sure and some stuff that goes on seems like complete lunacy to the outsider ... trust me I was one myself until recently, but like all things amazing and wonderous in the world (e.g. mathematics :D) you have to take a deeper look to fully appreciate it.
 
titaniumx3 said:
Fair enough if you don't like metal but implying it doesn't take skills to make the sounds they do because it sounds like "noise" to you is a little narrow minded. Take the following for example and listen to it to the end and then say it is just noise without skill:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5YEqmIIdj8&feature=related

That's from Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects - Sol Niger Within the first solo release from Thordendal who is the lead guitarist for Meshuggah, who in turn are arguably one of the greatest experimental tech metal bands out there right now. That's just one corner in an immense labyrinth of subgenres and styles that make up metal music. It's an odd genre for sure and some stuff that goes on seems like complete lunacy to the outsider ... trust me I was one myself until recently, but like all things amazing and wonderous in the world (e.g. mathematics :D) you have to take a deeper look to fully appreciate it.
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I'm sorry but thats an awful introduction for someone who isn't even remotely receptive to metal. Im not disputing the quality but at least wein him in on something a little bit more melodic. More mainstream etc, not someone pushing the boundaries of new areas that few currently appreciate.

Something like fade to black or a similar vein.

Gilly, thanks for posting a decent level headed response, something growing increasingly rare on these boards when parties disagree.
 
Gaijin said:
I'm sorry but thats an awful introduction for someone who isn't even remotely receptive to metal. Im not disputing the quality but at least wein him in on something a little bit more melodic. More mainstream etc, not someone pushing the boundaries of new areas that few currently appreciate.

Something like fade to black or a similar vein.

Gilly, thanks for posting a decent level headed response, something growing increasingly rare on these boards when parties disagree.
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The music forum would be no fun if people posted level headed responses. And I agree, that Meshuggah video is a dreadful introduction for someone who doesn't 'get' metal.

I'd say, in terms of obviously skilled metal music:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bVl-QMPtwtk

Mastodon.

There's no way you could say they weren't skilled musicians.
 
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Though the first 3 Oasis albums very good. Kinda lost interest after. Like anything in life if you work hard, ignore those doubters (and there are a lot of them), have faith in yourself, and have some talent, then you'll get noticed. Dont think there is any band out there that have done well have been handed it on a plate.


I like Oasis, I like Sabbath, I like Maiden. I get fed up with the whole indie tribe versus the metal tribe, not just here but in the real world as well. It tends to be those slating either that think they know it all.
 
Whilst I'm not a metal lover, the talent required to play metal music is obscene and probably one of the most physically demanding genres of music there is to play.

To say otherwise is either ignorent or plain stupid.

That doesn't reflect anything on the quality of the music though.
 
Cob said:
This tripe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5A0q63_gbo
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LOL is all I can say, that video is a classic. :D

BTW, the video I posted wasn't supposed to be an introduction to metal, nor was it supposed to be pleasant. I posted it to show the technical nature of metal and that it isn't all noise and nonsense (like some people think). The video is a demonstration of pure technical awesomness, no more, no less.

I agree though, if you really do want to get into metal, something more accessible and catchy would be advisable. Mastodon is good choice though recently I've been listening to loads of Gojira; if you can stomach From Mars To Sirius, your well on your way!

Some of my favs:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3vDSThxlIVc

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ho1YwzF4_mI

http://youtube.com/watch?v=raUAhhyNH7w

http://youtube.com/watch?v=f5By-5mLHk4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uy51AezpP-A&feature=related
 
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Nitefly said:
Whilst I'm not a metal lover, the talent required to play metal music is obscene and probably one of the most physically demanding genres of music there is to play.
To say otherwise is either ignorent or plain stupid.
That doesn't reflect anything on the quality of the music though.
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Absobloodylutely.
Some of these bands are musically awful but the musicianship is of a very high class.
I've watched quite a few bands in my time and it doesn't half pee me off when punters don't realise how good somebody is just because they don't like the music.
When I played in Clubland I'd often go into some guitar lick that one punter in the whole of the club 'got' and everybody else would pull faces.
As soon as I tore into Apache (Shadows) I'd be the greatest guitarist in the world.
But for most people the problem with metal is they don't like it and can't appreciate the musicianship because its a noise.
Theres good and bad metal but 99.99% are of very high musicianship.
 
A lot of metal bands have skilled instrumentalists, very few have skilled vocalists, which ruins the whole thing for me. That Mastadon song linked above is just laughable.
 
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