Should goverment fines/penalties be set in conjuntion to how much you earn ?

[OSB]

so your saying that being rich entitles you to be above the law (almost), to not have to endure punishments as much as lower earners or even middle class earners have to endure for that fact ?, the luxury of being rich is that you can break the law with no real repercussions then.



what do you mean "if someone works hard", you saying that low income earners don't work hard ?.

In a way yes. Not above the law obviously, but able to endure it with less repercussions. Obviously fines aren't the only punitive measures taken, jail, point on license etc are all factors which have the same effect (almost) on everybody regardless of wealth.

It would be unfair to say all wealthy people got there by working hard and that all poor people do not work hard. But wealth can largly be generated by effort throughout one's life and therefore giving one the benefits which can be reaped from it. Here that is being able to endure a small fine with minimal annoyance.

 

[snowdog]

what do you mean "if someone works hard", you saying that low income earners don't work hard ?.

Yes, they didn't try hard enough to get a good paying job, or to get a raise.
Not my fault someone with a low education starts working as a trashman, imo he didn't work hard/well enough to become an CEO or start a good company like Spie has or become a Plastic surgeon.

Choose a job you like: fine.

But some people go purely for the money, and imo the people that have the money should be able to do with it what they want, be it spend it on fines because they're driving too fast always, or some new furniture or whatever.
Want money, research what jobs pay most, then deticate your education to getting to that job. You're already taking bigger percentages of tax from the income of rich than from the poor, now you want and even ammount from the rich ? What is this? Scaring the rich away tbh, wich is stupid as the country runs on them, the main tax payers.

Tbh it's leaning to socialism and even a bit to communism, as if that works, see what happened in eastern europe because some people thought everybody should have the same ammount of money .

Making the rich pay more is only negative imo, as they're already milked out a lot more (even in terms of percentage) than poor people on their income.

 

[Things change I've changed]

Yes, they didn't try hard enough to get a good paying job, or to get a raise.
Not my fault someone with a low education starts working as a trashman, imo he didn't work hard/well enough to become an CEO or start a good company like Spie has or become a Plastic surgeon.

WHAT !!!! are you serious ?, so your saying every single person in a low earning job in Britain today is there because they didn't try hard enough, you can't be serious surely, and even if that is the case (which it isn't) the work they they do is not considered hard because it is low class work ?, earnings alone isn't always indicative of how hard you work, you know that don't you ?, your basically saying that all the millions of harding working low earners out there in your mind are not hard workers and are all failures, due to coming out of school with a low education, man I wish life was that black & white in my eyes lol,

I can't believe that there are people that have this kind of attitude.

Tbh it's leaning to socialism and even a bit to communism

It's funny you should say that as I am an avid socialist .

 

[Clinkz]

Yes, they didn't try hard enough to get a good paying job, or to get a raise.
Not my fault someone with a low education starts working as a trashman, imo he didn't work hard/well enough to become an CEO or start a good company like Spie has or become a ......

I got bored after this and didnt bother to read the rest of your post. Your attitude is absolutely disgusting. Please dont post such utter filth again.

Some of the worst paying jobs are the hardest and most degrading a man can do. Think just how horrible it must be to work as a bathroom cleaner for a public lavy adorned with urine and feces. And yet that person will go back to their job, every day, just to make a living. I believe that is deserving of SIGNIFICANT respect.

And then some of the best payed 'jobs' are a complete joke on the 'try hard' scale. Actors, presenters, celebs etc. Take johnothan ross as an example. All that dosh he makes for acting like a smarmy git in front of the camera. Oh yeah, what a guy, bravo.

 

[snowdog]

WHAT !!!!
I can't believe that there are people that have this kind of attitude.

I'm half Liberalistic& half Conservative...


I think everybody that works hard enough can get higher and get a better paying job. You all start with the same chances, goto the same schools @ first, get the same basic stuff like a roof, food, a clean envoirement and education. Anybody that really tryes mostly gets to it's goals.

I got bored after this and didnt bother to read the rest of your post. Your attitude is absolutely disgusting. Please dont post such utter filth again.

..., It's my opinion atm, I believe I can express myself when I want to, ignore my posts if you want, nobody forced you to read...

Some of the worst paying jobs are the hardest and most degrading a man can do. Think just how horrible it must be to work as a bathroom cleaner for a public lavy adorned with urine and feces. And yet that person will go back to their job, every day, just to make a living. I believe that is deserving of SIGNIFICANT respect.

And then some of the best payed 'jobs' are a complete joke on the 'try hard' scale. Actors, presenters, celebs etc.

Why did they get those jobs then ? The people went to school and could have tryed harder to get into uni, and study advanced stuff like biology or economics. There's a shortage of doctors, why didn't they try and become one?

 

[Nitefly]

Yes, they didn't try hard enough to get a good paying job, or to get a raise.
Not my fault someone with a low education starts working as a trashman, imo he didn't work hard/well enough to become an CEO or start a good company like Spie has or become a Plastic surgeon.

Eww.

Anyway, I don't think the fine system should be based on income, it seems ludicrous. People that break the law should get a punishment totally blind of any other background/lifestyle/race etc. Richer people already have to pay more tax, which is fair for the reasons in the OP. But to try and compare that to a criminal system is just silly, sorry.

I think everybody that works hard enough can get higher and get a better paying job. You all start with the same chances, goto the same schools @ first, get the same basic stuff like a roof, food, a clean envoirement and education. Anybody that really tryes mostly gets to it's goals.

You tell that to a phd student. Obscene intelligence, very low pay and prospects (generally).

 

[Clinkz]

I'm half Liberalistic& half Conservative...

Sorry mate, thats complete rubbish. What you are is half nazi in that attitude.

 

[Clinkz]

Why did they get those jobs then ? The people went to school and could have tryed harder to get into uni, and study advanced science or economics.

Because not everybody in this world is born nor NEEDS TO BE a rocket scientist.

 

[Clipsey]

To the original question. Hell no!
People on a very low income would then have less to risk i.e it wont cost them that much.
Not a fair system at all and a silly idea

 

[Tefal]

Sorry mate, thats complete rubbish. What you are is half nazi in that attitude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law


I hate to have to do this but can you explain how he is a nazi, by saying the rich generally work harder, to get where they are?

if it was easy wouldn't we all be ce's billionaires and have our own companies?

 

[Royal Fleet]

I think this is one of those things that stands up in theory, but falls down in practice. I mean lets face it, who has more disposable cash - 20 year old living at home earning £20k, 40 year father of two with mortgage earning £30k.

A fine should reflect the crime not the person.

 

[snowdog]

Sorry mate, thats complete rubbish. What you are is half nazi in that attitude.

No, I don't recall saying I want to seperate by race or anything, I'm just saying anybody should be able to get a good paying job if he tryes.
I don't recall wanting a war neither, or remove any laws for workless people, I just want people to stop making excuses if they got a bad job. I don't recall Bill gates having major advantages some others didn't have, yet he started a very succesfull company.

not everybody in this world is born nor NEEDS TO BE a rocket scientist.

But it would be beneficial if they were.

 

[Dark88]

you get exactly the same punishment, regardless of your race, creed, gender, name, appearance, wealth, sexual preference.

If any government dared to try and change that then, i hope to god that their would be a quick dismissal, and our equivalent of an impeachment.

To judge a person on anything other than their crime/mental state, is against the very reason for law.

I agree, but what if the exact same punishment was a fine of 10% of your monthly(some arbitary figure)income? Then everyone gets treated the same.

 

[Clinkz]

To the original question. Hell no!
People on a very low income would then have less to risk i.e it wont cost them that much.
Not a fair system at all and a silly idea

This is a very good point. It would dissuade the rich from putting even a toe out of line because the fines would be massive (many thousands) but for the poor, even though the fine is relative to their income, it may not amount to much so their is no incentive to not commit the fine in the first place.

 

[Tefal]

To the original question. Hell no!
People on a very low income would then have less to risk i.e it wont cost them that much.
Not a fair system at all and a silly idea

true he says he wants the same kind of suffering, where people suddenly can't pay bills and go into debt over a £50 fine, to get the same equivalent out of say branson, you'd have to levy a multimillion dollar parking ticket on him.

which would probably result in his bushiness going down the pan/split up and sold off putting a fair few people out of work.

 

[Things change I've changed]

I'm half Liberalistic& half Conservative...


I think everybody that works hard enough can get higher and get a better paying job. You all start with the same chances, goto the same schools @ first, get the same basic stuff like a roof, food, a clean envoirement and education. Anybody that really tryes mostly gets to it's goals.

dude life doesn't always work like that, there are millions of other variables that come into play, if life was that simple no one would commit suicide, no one would become mentally ill do to external pressures, I mean why should they, we all have the same pressures , the infrastructure of this country relies on the working class just as much as it relies on the high tax payers, it goes hand in hand, your living in a fantasy world mate sorry.



anyway,

I didn't say for the poor it would be free or even lower for that matter, if anything the amount you pay now would stay the same for low earners and then graduate upward for higher earners, anyway it doesn't seem a very favorable idea lol .






<goes and hides under rock>

 

[Tefal]

I agree, but what if the exact same punishment was a fine of 10% of your monthly(some arbitary figure)income? Then everyone gets treated the same.

because that would be stupid, just cause you mean more does not mean you have more disposable income, think about it some chav on a council estate on benefits no tax no mortgage, now some guy on 50k + a year, huge mortgage bills family to support high tax NI etc, etc,

a few thousand from him would cut into his savings possibly not make a mortgage payment run credit history which to him is massively more important.

tbh, i still stand by if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

 

[snowdog]

if it was easy wouldn't we all be ce's billionaires and have our own companies?

Trying hard enough is not easy at all though, it's very hard.

 

[Tefal]

it doesn't seem a very favorable idea lol .

of course it isn't your asking people to change a system that hundreds of thousands of their ancestors have fought and died to get in place, and defend.

 

[DRZ]

Has it escaped the OP that fines are already means tested by the courts?