Games Piracy - What's your take on it?

If all the people who openly admitted pirating games, dvds and music on here had their IPs logged and sent to HM revenue and customs I'd love to see how their appaulingly flawed arguements stand up to a visit to their property.

What I find shocking, is that no one here seems to know what actually constitutes 'breaking the law' in the UK, in regards to software piracy.

I still am wondering what is the actual crime.... cracking, upping, downing, possession? Do ISPs have to give up their records in this country? If they do, or are forced to do so, does this violate privacy laws?
 
i would never download a game, but thats because i like the game industry and appreciate the hard work that goes into making a game that will give me hours of entertainment.
however the music and film industry still makes ridiculous profits so i feel less guilty downloading stuff. however if i really like a band i will buy their cd, similarly if i like a film a lot i will buy the dvd.
 
If all the people who openly admitted pirating games, dvds and music on here had their IPs logged and sent to HM revenue and customs I'd love to see how their appaulingly flawed arguements stand up to a visit to their property.
I'll be reporting you to the spelling Nazis first. An early morning wake up call from their stormtroopers should dislodge that stick up your rectum.
Try actually refuting the arguments and justifications for piracy rather than just insulting them and you might be worth listening to.
I'm aware that it's illegal however I do baulk at it being called immoral and take issue with that as well as trying to explain my motivations for doing so.
 
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I still am wondering what is the actual crime.... cracking, upping, downing, possession? Do ISPs have to give up their records in this country? If they do, or are forced to do so, does this violate privacy laws?

The crime is copyright infringement (at least on a personal level of downloading and possessing, distribution is different I think but I don't think anyone here is currently flogging 100s of games at markets, or coding cracks and keygens). This is a civil matter, so you can't just be 'done' for it, like you could breaking and entering. The police won't just randomly arrest you for it, It requires the copyright holder or suitable representative to take action against you.

ISPs have to give up records if presented with a court order instructing them to do so, which has to be obtained by the person wishing to sue you for the infringement. It won't violate privacy laws because the court order overrides these.

Then, if successful, the copyright holder will sue you for damages/lost revenue etc. basically.

Obviously IANAL and all the above is just to the best of my knowledge, it might be wrong.
 
Some of my musings regarding piracy... There is a common misconception of crime against intelectual property, which puts commercial pirates and freeloading kids into one and the same basket, which is from the grounds up wrong. The trouble with intelectual property is that you can't simply assume gain and probability of purchase. A person downloading the game or a movie, is not alike person stealing bread of the shelf, but similar to someone who picks a magazine or newspaper left behind in a bus by original purchaser. Copyrighted material was not purchased by the second hand reader. The knowledge of the material was gained. For free. Does it mean the reader in question would go and support the rag in question in a newspaper stand otherwise? Was there a loss of revenue in effect? Should the original purchaser be punished for making the copyrighted material, the intelectual property available? Should the second reader be punished for gaining access to that property without fee to the copyright owner?

And then, there is the third side to piracy, which escapes just about everyone:

Not everyone remembers how the "scene" looked like in old days, long before torrents and napsters, long before binary usenets and hamachi shares. Not everyone remembers what drove people to spend their days couriering stuff around and what was gained in effect.

The original internet movie pirates, back in VCD times, weren't teenagers with a digital camera hidden under coat in "theater" somewhere in god forsaken part of Bronx as per Seinfeld parody, but rebelious guys releasing (for free) stuff which was pressed on silvers in far east countries. They were, in a manner of speaking, stealing from the real thieves. From companies and people making big money on US and later European streets flogging dodgy tapes and illegal video CDs with movies. The internet pirates would release it for free, before retailers would even receive their black market products from pressers. The internet pirates would often run into problems because of it. But well hidden under cloak of private ftps and chain of untracable couriers such was the character, the robbinhoodery of pir@tes pirating Pirates in those days.

By the end of the twentieth century, it was relatively common for big movies released in US to take long months before we saw them in UK. Around 1996/1997 you would often see VHS/DVD on shelf in US before the same movies were on release in cinemas across Europe.
People flying in from States would often have a chance to view, onboard the plane, movies that were "Comming soon to the screen near you" on posters where they landed. Even mega titles like Star Wars Episode 1 (1999) would take two long months before premiere in US and premiere in Leicester Square. TWO MONTHS! People in China were given chance to see it whooping SIX MONTHS after original release. 1.3 buuuuuiiiilllliiiiooooon people and you make them wait six months for Skywalker? No, no, no, no. You don't get to do that even if your name is Lucas. Low budget releases, like The Blair Witch Project would reach our shores in staggering 11 months after premiere in States! Talk about spoilers!

In 2002 Star Wars Episode II was shown in US and all around Europe in almost the same time (few hours difference). And the only reason for that was internet piracy.
It was the biggest win, the biggest gain of the VCD scene of nineties - the industry would stop screwing around with viewers and distributors and to large degree stop delaying releases in the world out of pure greed (late release after success in US usually meant higher distribution bids).

It's just the same with TV episodes these days. When you see series in UK TV starting with 2 or 3 week delay after US, rather than 9 - 20 month difference just few years ago, you know what created this situation for your viewing advantage and pleasure.

And just like Napster incident effectively clearing way for iTunes shown the industry there is a lot to be gained from new technologies I think the fact that we have Steam and EA downloads and electronic game services in general is only thanks to piracy. It shows that you can either miss the train completely or provide legal ways for people to do just the same - and many (as opposed to none otherwise) will gladly do it without feeling dirty, illegal and playing about with cracks and patches from dodgy places. Obviously, as every greedy structure, the industry often tries to rob the good, faithfull customers (latest Stream releases, ouch!), but it's only a matter of time when someone makes that piracy vs income graph and draw proper conclusions. In the next few years you will see downloadable movie releases, and revision of the fees for music. And downloadable TV archives. It wouldn't happen if there was no pressure. Action. Reaction.
 
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Now, as he was never going to buy the game in the first place
This hits the nail on the head perfectly People who get pirate games will not buy a game if theres no pirate copy just look at what happened with bioshock people just waited until it was cracked rather than buy.
 
Higher Prices = More piracy, most people refuse to pay obscene amounts of cash for a game, i mean come on, £50 for a new PS3 game is a bit over the top. If they found a more reasonable price they would sell a lot more. but as the markets current pricing strategy is portraying (pump up the price) its hardly surprising piracy is still going.

I buy a heck of a lot of DVD's now mainly because they are £3-£4, i would even pay £7 per dvd but it really shows how cheap re-etailers can go.
 
The crime is copyright infringement (at least on a personal level of downloading and possessing, distribution is different I think but I don't think anyone here is currently flogging 100s of games at markets, or coding cracks and keygens). This is a civil matter, so you can't just be 'done' for it, like you could breaking and entering. The police won't just randomly arrest you for it, It requires the copyright holder or suitable representative to take action against you.

ISPs have to give up records if presented with a court order instructing them to do so, which has to be obtained by the person wishing to sue you for the infringement. It won't violate privacy laws because the court order overrides these.

Then, if successful, the copyright holder will sue you for damages/lost revenue etc. basically.

Obviously IANAL and all the above is just to the best of my knowledge, it might be wrong.

Cheers.

The reason I am ignorant to these laws, is because I grew up in Canada at at time when uploading was the crime i.e. distribution en masse. However, we had a provision that from each sale of blank media a small percent went to 'artists'. Thus, people copying cds (tapes originally) from a personal friend were in fact not breaking any law. Additionally, ISPs in Canada at that time, could not be forced to hand over their records.

Of course none of this pleased the Big Daddy down south, so Canadian laws have no doubt changed since I moved here 3 years ago.

It seems to me, from what devine has said, that UK piracy laws are about the same as in the US.
 
It's not good and I don't do it. I don't think pirating really old games that you already have is that bad (eg n64 games for pc etc..)
 
are we not now 'forced' to buy our games these days??? :) or at least online games, with the whole cd-key thing, and other 'checking' programs, anti-TCC, Punkbuster.
e.g. who would want a pirate copy of UT3 :D it would really suck not playing it online, beings resricted to single player :)
 
are we not now 'forced' to buy our games these days??? :) or at least online games, with the whole cd-key thing, and other 'checking' programs, anti-TCC, Punkbuster.
e.g. who would want a pirate copy of UT3 :D it would really suck not playing it online, beings resricted to single player :)
I thought so too but considering the origin of this thread is the CoD4 guy complaining about the number of pirates playing online it seems not.
 
i have recently downed my connection speed saving me £7 per month, only the download speed has changed, my ping/Latency should stay the same :) so the way i see it is im saving £21 every 3 months, which is enough to buy games :D EASY
 
are we not now 'forced' to buy our games these days??? :) or at least online games, with the whole cd-key thing, and other 'checking' programs, anti-TCC, Punkbuster.
e.g. who would want a pirate copy of UT3 :D it would really suck not playing it online, beings resricted to single player :)

Online games have always been harder to pirate for obvious reasons but that doesn't make a huge deal of difference really. If you have to pay £30 once in a while for an online game, it's no big deal when you've had the last 20 big single player releases for free.
 
I couldn't care less either way to be perfectly honest! I have about 25 games currently installed and about double that on the shelf either waiting to be installed or have already been completed and deleted. Now out of those 75 (ish) games only 5 are, shall we say, "slightly dodgy".

It's not an excuse, but the only reason for those 5 is that you can't find them to purchase anywhere, so acquiring them by the "slightly dodgy" method is the only real way to play them.
 
Online games have always been harder to pirate for obvious reasons but that doesn't make a huge deal of difference really. If you have to pay £30 once in a while for an online game, it's no big deal when you've had the last 20 big single player releases for free.

Well said tbh ! :)
 
thats the problem (especially these days) single player games, most of them can be completed easy within a week of purcase, so to pay £20 - £30 (or more) for this is a bit of a rip tbh, thats why i only like to buy games that i know are good and ill be playing for a while :) like the UT series 'ownage'.... cs is good too thinking about getting CS:source, only got the old cs and i dont play that anymore :(
 
All games I play are either online or MMOs so I have to pay for them unless I want to use dodgy servers, I like to support PC gaming in general, as we are a niche now and they charge a fair price IMO.
 
Didn't read the thread, so this may have been covered, but hey.

I've recently pirated UT3. I have 2004, and loved it, especially for online onslaught gaming. I grabbed the demo last week, now I have my good computer back, because I wanted to see if the new warfare mode was anywhere near as good as they made out.
And to my horror, they didn't bother to stick a warfare map in. Just the bog standard CTF and DM. The UT2004 demo proudly showed off the new game types.

I'm not going to buy a game when they won't even give me one map example of how it plays. So, I torrented it, installed it, and was rather unimpressed. I'm going to be sticking with 2004, much more fun.
 
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