Vista successor in 2009

FishThrower said:
Vista is great for home users imo, but for businesses, it offers no benifts over XP
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You're wrong for one primary reason. There are some very exciting technologies included in Windows Server 2008 which provide a huge benefit for businesses and requires Vista. And that's why it's nothing like ME. In fact i'm currently planning for a total upgrade to Vista at the end of the year, which is about 700 clients. And assuming I can get WDS to work properly, it should be really easy to deploy :)

Burnsy
 
badbob said:
Corporations will not switch from XP to Vista..
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you missed a bit off that post, ill do it for you

"... for a few years"

will not suggests that they would never ever move to it, they will, just that it will be the same transition as 98 to 2000 and 98/2000 to XP was, you wait a few years for the service packs and server software to progress before destroying your network :)

even though new machines ship with vista at the moment we still remove it and put XP on them, about 85% of our 500-600 clients can run vista perfectly fine here now, but theres no way we're moving to it until server 2008 has been out a while, vigerously tested and maybe just maybe then we'll move :)

biggest problem we as a school have with vista is the layout, everyone knows the 3.1 to XP layout, completely moving things around in both the OS and office was the worst thing imo that microsoft have ever done

EDIT: got any info on server 2008 burnsy? im yet to read much about it :)
 
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no, corporations will not switch to Vista. Walk in to Microsoft in Bracknell and tell me what software ALL of their PCs are running. Yup, XP Pro. If thats not testament to the death of Vista, then I dont know what is. Great for home use, pap for anything else IMO of course ;)

Dont get me wrong, I use Vista HP and Ultimate and am really gettig to like it, but most major corporations aren't even moving over to IE7 yet let alone Vista!
 
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Butters said:
no, corporations will not switch to Vista. Walk in to Microsoft in Bracknell and tell me what software ALL of their PCs are running. Yup, XP Pro. If thats not testament to the death of Vista, then I dont know what is. Great for home use, pap for anything else IMO of course ;)
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So the fact that MS havn't rolled it out yet is solid proof that they won't? Don't be stupid. I know a few network managers/directors who are planning an upgrade, but it's a slow process because of hardware and software compatibility/requirements. That doesn't mean that they're not going to though.

Burnsy
 
tbh if microsoft havent even finished server 2008 for the public yet (which afaik is pretty much a requirement for using vista widely on a network - without issues anyway, managers pc is on vista on an XP/2003 network and its a bloody nightmare) then of course they'd still be on XP/server2003 :p
 
mrbios said:
tbh if microsoft havent even finished server 2008 for the public yet (which afaik is pretty much a requirement for using vista widely on a network - without issues anyway, managers pc is on vista on an XP/2003 network and its a bloody nightmare) then of course they'd still be on XP/server2003 :p
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That's pretty much my case and point. I've always said since before Vista was released that it won't take off until Server 2008 is out. Most large places have a VLA with SA, so licensing isn't an issue to most. Apart from compatibility, there won't be any reason not to upgrade once the infrastructure is in place.

Burnsy
 
v0n said:
I didn't mean that MinWin will be like linux in terms of architecture, I meant that everybody is buzzing about MinWin, because of Traums demo at University of Illinois, where he boots 25Mb WinMin in less than 20 seconds into virtual machine as a stand alone entity with shell, networking running and http server chugging in the background. This was what got press psyched up, this how linux references started popping up on zdnet - suddenly everyone had a vision of Windows 7 being this potentially ultra light entity with optional large GUI on top, running services and serving stuff from usb pen sized partition. Journos found it exciting.
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Well surely Windows Core is just that? And that is actually coming this year as part of Windows Server 2008. Windows Core is just the bare essentials, no GUI or anything. Just enough to run some services like IIS, FTP or a domain controller etc.

As I said, everyone repeats that but it completely escapes my memory. I remember drivers issues going from NT to Win2000. Of course. But Win2k was just such a big improvement it was worth it. Then when switching to XP the only teething problem I remember is Matrox, their betas didn't work properly, they refused to do anything about it until much later on and that forced us testing XP in the office at the time to roll out nvidia cards and never ever approach Matrox again. It's entirely possible that I just blanked out the rest of the trauma (:)), but in general I have good memories of XP switch, both on personal and corporate level, after all this time.
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I agree. My switch from 2000 to XP was painless also - but then so was my switch from XP to Vista... ;) Problem is that's not how the vast majority saw it. Most XP users were migrating from the Windows 9x platform and the headaches were much worse than for a Windows 2000 migrant.

Hehe, but then for most home users upgrading from 98 it was probably still an improvement.
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For sure, but like with Vista they didn't "warm" to it straight away. I can remember pretty much *all* the gamers on these very forums were dual booting with Windows 98 because 98 at the time purportedly had better gaming performance. Hmm this is sounding a lot like Vista?:D
 
Burnsy2023 said:
That's pretty much my case and point. I've always said since before Vista was released that it won't take off until Server 2008 is out. Most large places have a VLA with SA, so licensing isn't an issue to most. Apart from compatibility, there won't be any reason not to upgrade once the infrastructure is in place.

Burnsy
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Yep it has always been that way as well. Companies in general don't like deploying a new client OS until the corresponding server OS is also available.

I know that some of our customers have started deploying Vista clients on a Windows Server 2003 network and have encountered some teething problems.
 
I dont think I'm being stupid really.

We have to remember that a lot of machines in corporate companies are leased from suppliers such as Dell and HP.

Most of these corporate leases are 3 years long.

Here is a list of companies I have or have had close links to:

3M - Windows Server 2003, XP Pro, IE6 (all new servers are 2K3 and will remain so until leases expire and 2K8 becomes the norm).

MS - Windows Server 2K3, Xp Pro, IE7 (again, leased as above).

HSBC - Windows Server 2000, 2003, XP Pro and IBM Mainframe, IE6 (not leased for branch but asset management is leased equipment).

Dell - Server 2K3, XP Pro, IE6 (not leased)

HP - Server 2K3, XP Pro, IE6 (not leased).

BMW - Server 2K3, Xp Pro, IE6 (leased).

Thats just a few of some of the largest organisations on this planet!

For all of these to suddenly decide Vista is King and make use of its technologies involves a lot more than just client roll outs. Servers need replacing (which cant be done until leases expire), then they have to be tested, not least for stability, but also for all 3rd party apps that these companies might run (OneBridge, Lotus Notes, Peoplesoft (to name a few)), cross platform pollination occurs which is a nightmare to support.

All I'm saying is that you will absolutely NOT find any of these companies proactively moving to Vista. Its just not going to happen. in short, it will easily be 2012 before some of these companies are fully Vistarised, only for MS to turn around and say, "hey guess what, lets start the process again!"
 
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Our current strategy is simply to roll out vista on new laptops and desktops (OEM). This has been going well so far, although there are issues with accounting software (which is slowly being upgraded anyway). Gradually XP will disappear when old machines are retired but they will probably be around for 2-3 years yet
 
mrk said:
And did anyone mention it's so so stable? yes? I'll mention it again :P
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I wish it was stable for me. I really really hate Vista. :( After such a good love affair with XP I was hoping for the same with Vista. It hasn't turned out that way.

I hate the fact much of the layout has been "ever so-slightly" changed - To get from A to B it now feels like I have to go to C and D first. Familiar options are now a pain in the arse to locate.

It really hasn't been faster for me than XP either. The opposite infact. I've had BSOD after BSOD. It constantly freezes when doing simple things like file transfers, constantly crashes when using sites like youtube and goole video, and just generally slows down every couple of minutes for me.

Xp, when installed on the same system, runs like a dream. I'm hoping it's just teething problems as happens with new OS's, but at the moment, it is the only Windows OS that has truely made my blood boil.

Both are legit copies that have been used on this system multiple times (Dell Vostro with Vista Ultimate).

[edit]Heh - it just froze after pressing the "post" button.[/edit]
 
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Butters said:
no, corporations will not switch to Vista. Walk in to Microsoft in Bracknell and tell me what software ALL of their PCs are running. Yup, XP Pro. If thats not testament to the death of Vista, then I dont know what is. Great for home use, pap for anything else IMO of course ;)

Dont get me wrong, I use Vista HP and Ultimate and am really gettig to like it, but most major corporations aren't even moving over to IE7 yet let alone Vista!
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Complete, total, unmitigated rubbish I'm afraid. There's no Microsoft office in Bracknell and globally (including UK) MS is at >95% Vista/Office 2007 Enterprise deployment to the desktop (>60k seats). I'm sorry but that post was FUD at its worst. :rolleyes:
 
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I think people are forgetting how long it took most companies to migrate to XP... At work we moved from NT4 to XP in about 2005, so we skipped W2k completely and took XP after 4 years...
 
AcidHell2 said:
seeing as it's being shipped with pretty much all new computers.
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depends how big the corperations are

i work in the NHS it sector, and i can tell you now, none of it is going to vista and doesnt look to be any time soon. Whats more, the GPSOC agreement (GP systems of choice) that lays down the requirements for clinical system providers has made no demands for us to test vista compatibility

XP is being phased out, but the NHS has jsut renewed its coroporate license for XP this financial year, along with the other MS products it uses (office, outlook etc...) and they're even on about migrating the entire NHSmail system away from webmail as it as at the moment, to exchange

With the NHS carrying that sort of muscle, MS cant afford to force it into vista. As a result all PCTs are ordering machines without an OS, and then putting XP on when they get them, and using the NHS corporate license to license it.

With none of the systems providers having vista compatability, and none of them having any plans to announce compatibility,i cant see anybody in the NHS upgrading to vista except maybe for their own personal use.

Dolph said:
I think people are forgetting how long it took most companies to migrate to XP... At work we moved from NT4 to XP in about 2005, so we skipped W2k completely and took XP after 4 years...
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i see this happenning with the NHS. the Server 2003 / XP platform works perfectly for us, and theres no need to upgrade, especially with all the retraining that will be required. They wont upgrade untill theres a compelling reason to, which the next version after vista may provide
 
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Butters said:
no, corporations will not switch to Vista. Walk in to Microsoft in Bracknell and tell me what software ALL of their PCs are running. Yup, XP Pro. If thats not testament to the death of Vista, then I dont know what is. Great for home use, pap for anything else IMO of course ;)

Dont get me wrong, I use Vista HP and Ultimate and am really gettig to like it, but most major corporations aren't even moving over to IE7 yet let alone Vista!
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I work in a company with 200 employees and we have switched to Vista without problems. I think a macfanboy has gotten lost
 
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