Tom Cruise - Has infact everyone else gone mad?
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I see your logic in that, i was going to suggest the same
But the fact he has joined a "cult"
created by a sci-fi novelist (see what i did their sci-fi). proves he is as much of a loon as any other member of scientology. if you have watched the documentary on it (and some other videos on youtube) you will see that they are very very hostile people.Anyone who joins a nut cult deserves to be labled by the looney toons corp.
I see your logic in that, i was going to suggest the same
But the fact he has joined a "cult"
Anyone who joins a nut cult deserves to be labled by the looney toons corp.
Perhaps he's at the top of a money making pyramid. In a position of great power. It would fit with why he's so into it.
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As was said, they brainwash. They use known techniques to make specific individuals come around to their thinking - much like Derren Brown, only a lot more sinister.
And it's not just the media who are afraid of them (and it's nothing to do with you thinking they are uneducated)
Many countries are currently in the process of starting a ban on cults like Scientology (including Ireland, France and Germany - some of the UK's closest neighbours) - probably because they realise they are a dangerous sect who prey on weak minded individuals and who try to suck in anyone near their headquarters.
And it's not just the media who are afraid of them (and it's nothing to do with you thinking they are uneducated)
Many countries are currently in the process of starting a ban on cults like Scientology (including Ireland, France and Germany - some of the UK's closest neighbours) - probably because they realise they are a dangerous sect who prey on weak minded individuals and who try to suck in anyone near their headquarters.
Well, that will give them another similarity to Christianity, also been banned on occassion and members persecuted. Would be interesting to see how such a law would be formulated and what the definition of cult would be.
Personally not really keen to see religions banned (no matter how bad we think they are) sets a poor precedent.
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Scientology although sounds a bit nuts and unbelievable as it is only a very recent religion, is equally as valid as any other religion. There is no proof for or against any of these religions.
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There are huge amounts of literature out there detailing the exploits of L. Ron Hubbard and the Scientology cult. A good starting point would be 'Bare Faced Messiah', which IIRC is now available to read online.
Any organisation that actively pursues a 'fair game' policy to suppress apostates, critics and investigators by any means necessary - which has included tactics such as leaflet drops in their neighbourhoods claiming said opponents are paedophiles - should only be treat with the utter contempt that it deserves.
Scientology may well be a viable religion, but the way the controlling organisation conducts itself is extremely disturbing.
Indeed, read the 'Scientology and it's enemies' section in the goverment report I linked to earlier. Large parts of it are taken direct from the literature itself.
Oh, from what I've heard of scientology it sounds very odd...
BUT, we don't know how much of this Tom Cruise (or other scientologists) buy into.
The upshot of the video is that they are trying to help and improve people/the world around them. If they do or don't achieve this so what... But hey, at least they're trying I guess! Which is more than most of the poo-poo'ers do
Scientologists are trying to gain more wealth and power for Scientology. It has nothing to do with "trying to help and improve people/the world around them."
Scientology is a particularly unpleasant business.
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Thats all it is, a business. And a very clued up one at that.
I wouldn't even call it a religion. At the moment it doesn't even have a structure that does any tangiable good. It acts more like a pyramid scheme, sucking in the weak willed on the pretense that they will have a better life, so that those at the top gain more money.
If you look at the facts, they have done absolutely nothing to help those who are disadvantaged - in fact, Scientology want little to do with people who have no finances.
..... and I hate to say it, but most other religions have actually helped those who are less well off (Catholocism, Muslim etc etc) - even if it means giving them a basic daily feed or somewhere to live.
They are just a nasty cult & anyone that joins it are only there for their own gains. They don't give two monkeys about the world as a whole, poor people or the third world countries. And they certainly don't care about people who can't repay their doctrinr in some monetry value.
What would they do if all their members suddenly revolted and said "Right, if you want me in your religion, you will cease to take my cash, and love me as a person - that way, I will promote your hogwosh" - Do you think it would last ?
I wouldn't even call it a religion. At the moment it doesn't even have a structure that does any tangiable good. It acts more like a pyramid scheme, sucking in the weak willed on the pretense that they will have a better life, so that those at the top gain more money.
If you look at the facts, they have done absolutely nothing to help those who are disadvantaged - in fact, Scientology want little to do with people who have no finances.
..... and I hate to say it, but most other religions have actually helped those who are less well off (Catholocism, Muslim etc etc) - even if it means giving them a basic daily feed or somewhere to live.
They are just a nasty cult & anyone that joins it are only there for their own gains. They don't give two monkeys about the world as a whole, poor people or the third world countries. And they certainly don't care about people who can't repay their doctrinr in some monetry value.
What would they do if all their members suddenly revolted and said "Right, if you want me in your religion, you will cease to take my cash, and love me as a person - that way, I will promote your hogwosh" - Do you think it would last ?
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I don't know where you found that definition, but it's hilariously stupid. It could just as easily be applied to anything from university lectures to driving lessons.
The defining quality of brainwashing is coercive persuasion, and the primary purpose is to replace one set of ideas with another. In most cases, the new ideology is one that would be rejected by the recipient under normal conditions; hence the need for coercion.
Wikipedia has an excellent article on the topic, available here.
To be fair, the way two other large religions have treated apostates in the past (and one in the present) make scientology look quite friendly, maybe we should treat those with contempt too?
Have a look at the Koran for guidance on the treatment of apostates. Also have a look at parts of the bible for those that turn away from God. Thankfully Christianity has moved on a bit as has Islam in most places.
I thought Scientology would die out now that someone has posted there "Secrets" on the web for Nowt 
I cracked up when they were made public as the way you climb the ladder is to buy More secrets off them.
Any organisation that you have to pay to climb the ladder obviously has ulterior motives & Not good ones. I've always thought there is something weird about Tom Cruise in the same way i think there is something weird about Jamie Lee Curtis. I think they are both Aliens
On top of this the Dude that set it up was just a Science fiction writer with a Habit. Nowt funnier than Folk i s'pose.
Here you go some Madness for your enjoyment
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/index.html
I cracked up when they were made public as the way you climb the ladder is to buy More secrets off them.Any organisation that you have to pay to climb the ladder obviously has ulterior motives & Not good ones. I've always thought there is something weird about Tom Cruise in the same way i think there is something weird about Jamie Lee Curtis. I think they are both Aliens
On top of this the Dude that set it up was just a Science fiction writer with a Habit. Nowt funnier than Folk i s'pose.
Here you go some Madness for your enjoyment
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/index.html
I won't link to it, you'll have to google... but someone managed to get a copy of a lot of the original source material of Scientology and uploaded it.
I often wondered why there was never anyone on the inside leaking this stuff. There is also an "anonymous internet war" being waged by 4chan as far as I understand against the CoS, a number of videos were uploaded onto YouTube the last couple of days.
I get the feeling, somethings going to hit the fan soon...
EDIT : Article about the showdown : http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/anonymous-attac.html
I often wondered why there was never anyone on the inside leaking this stuff. There is also an "anonymous internet war" being waged by 4chan as far as I understand against the CoS, a number of videos were uploaded onto YouTube the last couple of days.
I get the feeling, somethings going to hit the fan soon...
EDIT : Article about the showdown : http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/01/anonymous-attac.html
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About a year ago I wanted to find out about Scientology. Not to judge it so much, but really try to understand it with an open mind. Like I have done with many religions, I like to learn about them and see why they're followed. Normally there is something in each religion that does make sense, eveything else is down to personal preference and culture.
I searched the internet for weeks about Scientology, and it wasn't until I realised that every-single video, text or bits of news I found was all twisted with some sort of strange behavior or negativity that I realised that something wasn't right. Either by people outside the group, or the actual Scientologists acting scary (Try finding anything on the internet, video etc, that is not wierd when combining a member and non-member. You cant)
If you do a search for ex-members of Scientology, each and everyone of them tells how manipulative it is. Of course, if they're an ex-member they will have SOMETHING negative to mention. However you do learn about how the inner workings operate.
I doubt you will ever find a Scientologist who will sit down and actually discuss things with you, like "most" members of other religions would do. They operate in a total "your in or out" circle and if anyone tries to find out anything about it they're harrassed.
In my personal opinion from what I've learned about Scientology is that its an absolute disgrace. It preys on the vulnerable by announcing itself as religion, but to actually get any sort of "help" from these so called religious people, you need to invest thousands upon courses to get further brain washed.
When signing up to the religion, you need to fill in "crime forms" and what that basically is is a black-mailing protecting form for them if any members go rougue in the future.
It is a cult pyriamid scheme that preys on the vulnerable people. Theres no other description for it. It needs banning outright.
I searched the internet for weeks about Scientology, and it wasn't until I realised that every-single video, text or bits of news I found was all twisted with some sort of strange behavior or negativity that I realised that something wasn't right. Either by people outside the group, or the actual Scientologists acting scary (Try finding anything on the internet, video etc, that is not wierd when combining a member and non-member. You cant)
If you do a search for ex-members of Scientology, each and everyone of them tells how manipulative it is. Of course, if they're an ex-member they will have SOMETHING negative to mention. However you do learn about how the inner workings operate.
I doubt you will ever find a Scientologist who will sit down and actually discuss things with you, like "most" members of other religions would do. They operate in a total "your in or out" circle and if anyone tries to find out anything about it they're harrassed.
In my personal opinion from what I've learned about Scientology is that its an absolute disgrace. It preys on the vulnerable by announcing itself as religion, but to actually get any sort of "help" from these so called religious people, you need to invest thousands upon courses to get further brain washed.
When signing up to the religion, you need to fill in "crime forms" and what that basically is is a black-mailing protecting form for them if any members go rougue in the future.
It is a cult pyriamid scheme that preys on the vulnerable people. Theres no other description for it. It needs banning outright.
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