Uh... what? So because the police are apparently a bunch of pansies, they should toughen up by beating up people who are peacefully protesting the infringement of their right to peacefully protest?
Brian Haw, peace protester assualted by cops
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Uh... what? So because the police are apparently a bunch of pansies, they should toughen up by beating up people who are peacefully protesting the infringement of their right to peacefully protest?
If you can't (or won't) see the link to the core of your post, there's not a huge amount of point explaining it to you.
If you cannot explain to me the relationship between my post and a football match, especially as you allude to it being blatent therefore easy to explain, why should I dignify your pathetic attempt to rubbish my post with a reply?
Taking the easy way out, Nancy?
I don't see the relationship between a football match and public protest. Enlighten me and I might allocate some of my precious time to answering you.
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When you state 'Police brutality doesn't exist in this country' what country are you referring to exactly. England, the UK, or the EU ?
If you want to encompass N.ireland then I would have to disagree with you , as I've seen brutality first hand on many occasions, and usually involving innocent people. Both by the RUC and the PSNI.
But, if you want to think that N.Ireland is a seperate entity, not part of the Police authority of Wales/England (whic is totally correct) then your statement may be true - I don't really know as I haven't been there to see it. But, as it goes, there is Brutality caused by members of law enforcement in Britain and the UK.
If you want to encompass N.ireland then I would have to disagree with you , as I've seen brutality first hand on many occasions, and usually involving innocent people. Both by the RUC and the PSNI.
But, if you want to think that N.Ireland is a seperate entity, not part of the Police authority of Wales/England (whic is totally correct) then your statement may be true - I don't really know as I haven't been there to see it. But, as it goes, there is Brutality caused by members of law enforcement in Britain and the UK.
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It is interesting to note that of your original five, all seem to be financial. Not a criticism, but interesting.
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I realise this was a minor, almost insignificant, part of your point, but I'm sure you can dig deep into it and, using the mighty intellect you displayed in the above post, find the rather blatant similarity.
Yeah, you wouldn't believe the ****-ups that get made. I've seen a couple of cases where they've had to amend things because someone forgot to put the word "not" in, thus giving people a free ride on something. That or dumb things like how for certain periods of time, you do things with figures rounded to 3dp, but for other periods you don't, because the draftsman forgot to include that bit.
I have to agree on that front. I also have witnessed police brutality that beggars belief in Northern Ireland. However, the PSNI seems to have matured from the old days of the RUC in that respect. It used to be a common sight in my area to see police getting out of their land rovers and hitting random passers by with their batons and holding guns to their heads. Thankfully though, those days seem to be long gone. Having lived in England for the past three and a half years it would appear that the English forces have less of a tendency to show brutality and it is not something I have witnessed. I'm not saying that it doesn't exist, however it appears much less evident than some people would have you believe.
IIRC Mark Thomas had some fun with that law, getting permission for numerous silly protests.
I don't think he was turned down for any of them, including the one where he broke the world record for the number of individual distinct protests in a single day by a single person, and the number of individuals protesting seperately in a single day (from memory one of the protests was about the amount of police time and paperwork was needed to authorise the protests).
I think that's more to do with how I searched for them rather than anything else - but they are likely to crop up in financial stuff more because people care less - and Article 7 HRA makes writing retrospective criminal legislation awkward.
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I think Northern Ireland is a slightly different issue when it comes to "Police Brutality" you could literally walk down one street and be worshipped, turn the corner and people are baying for your blood.
It is worth remembering the sort of environment that Northern Ireland and lets not forget that PIRA actually put a British soldier through a mincing machine in an animal processing plant, this was on top of the torture and murder of other British soldiers. They also treated some of their own members in this way.
It is worth remembering the sort of environment that Northern Ireland and lets not forget that PIRA actually put a British soldier through a mincing machine in an animal processing plant, this was on top of the torture and murder of other British soldiers. They also treated some of their own members in this way.
Yes, that makes the beating and torture of innocent civilians perfectly acceptable then. The RUC were bad but the British army were much worse, the UDR/RIR in particular. From the point of view of a civillian on the receiving end, the RUC had some decent people in it to give some balance whereas the armed forces did not.
That's all in the past now and a different topic altogether though. I think we should steer this thread back to the original topic.
I didn't say it was acceptable, I was just pointing out that it happened.
I'm glad he was locked up, spending all that time on the streets I guess he was a heath hazard amongst other things.
Was he exercising his rights as a taxpayer!?
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In my opinion most members of the police force are not fit for purpose. In my experience member of the police force are not the most intelligent people in the country. Like teaching, social work and other non-private sector jobs people seem to join the police force because they can't / won't get another job.
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No that's called being a bouncer. What is your profession?
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At the end of the day, whatever else you can say about him - workshy, unwashed, craps in the street etc. - Brian Haw is a constant, highly prominent reminder that our esteemed Government took us to war in Iraq based on a blatant and outright lie, and as such, I hope he continues to be a thorn in the side of those in Parliament who consider him ... what's the phrase New Labour use? Ah, I know ... "off message" ...