Has MS really put in a bid for Google for $45 Billion!

Burnsy2023 · 1 Feb 2008 at 15:58

chesterstu said:
Plus above all look at how MS's monopoly has stifled innovation, whats to say the sham thing won't happen

If MS isn't innovative enough a competitor will take advantage of that. Firefox is a great example of this.

Burnsy

scorza · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:05

Burnsy2023 said:
If MS isn't innovative enough a competitor will take advantage of that. Firefox is a great example of this.

Burnsy

Come off it. Firefox is a superior product given away free and still only has 15% of the market. There is no point competing with any application that MS decides to puts in windows, which is why they shouldn't be allowed to put anything they want in.

Burnsy2023 · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:07

scorza said:
Come off it. Firefox is a superior product given away free and still only has 15% of the market. There is no point competing with any application that MS decides to puts in windows, which is why they shouldn't be allowed to put anything they want in.

Maybe people want an integrated system out of the box. What about Apple and it's end to end closed platform? Apple have a great system becuase they have control over it. Why shouldn't MS have the same luxury?

Burnsy

scorza · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:15

Burnsy2023 said:
Maybe people want an integrated system out of the box. What about Apple and it's end to end closed platform? Apple have a great system becuase they have control over it. Why shouldn't MS have the same luxury?

Burnsy

Because Microsoft have a monopoly in desktop operating systems, the same way Google have a monopoly in the search engine market.

platypus · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:16

Burnsy2023 said:
Maybe people want an integrated system out of the box. What about Apple and it's end to end closed platform? Apple have a great system becuase they have control over it. Why shouldn't MS have the same luxury?

I agree, it applies elsewhere so why not computers? You don't buy a car from a dealer and then ask to have an Audi computer put into a BMW car do you (yeah I know its a crappy anology)?

I choose not to buy microsoft, let them do what they want.

LordSplodge · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:17

Burnsy2023 said:
Maybe people want an integrated system out of the box. What about Apple and it's end to end closed platform? Apple have a great system because they have control over it. Why shouldn't MS have the same luxury?

Burnsy

You can still run FireFox and other applications on OS X

. Microsoft will never have the luxury of a closed-system as they don't have control of the hardware!

chesterstu · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:27

Burnsy2023 said:
Maybe people want an integrated system out of the box. What about Apple and it's end to end closed platform? Apple have a great system becuase they have control over it. Why shouldn't MS have the same luxury?

Burnsy

I agree, we are here to post as a techie community and we are interested in this stuff. On the other hand my mum would be mortified is she had to find and download her own browser or mp3 player.

chesterstu · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:29

scorza said:
Well in most civilised countries, including the US, spamming is illegal. Many spammers rely on anonymity to protect them against prosecution, however I don't think Google could manage that.

Spam is not the correct word, more like targeted advertising. Google could change its ToS to say by using the service you give them permission to send you such things and there would be nothing you can do about it

platypus · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:34

chesterstu said:
Spam is not the correct word, more like targeted advertising. Google could change its ToS to say by using the service you give them permission to send you such things and there would be nothing you can do about it

You could stop using the service.

chesterstu · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:37

platypus said:
You could stop using the service.

a small amount of indiggnant users might (Say like those that use Linux or OSX becuase they disagree with the MS way) but 98% of the general public wouldn't know / care and carry on using it. Thus an evil deed has been done

LordSplodge · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:39

Google is God. Just bown down in worship damn it!

iSam · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:40

Burnsy2023 said:
Maybe people want an integrated system out of the box. What about Apple and it's end to end closed platform? Apple have a great system becuase they have control over it. Why shouldn't MS have the same luxury?

Burnsy

Because their stuff is pants. Simple really.

LordSplodge said:
Google is God. Just bown down in worship damn it!

Have to agree there, I think the story of how the two creators made it as part of a post grad project and are now worth billions each. Quite amazing really.

scorza · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:41

chesterstu said:
Spam is not the correct word, more like targeted advertising. Google could change its ToS to say by using the service you give them permission to send you such things and there would be nothing you can do about it

I'm pretty sure that would be illegal under UK law as well - you must be able to opt out of receiving information.

chesterstu · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:53

scorza said:
I'm pretty sure that would be illegal under UK law as well - you must be able to opt out of receiving information.

Well you see that's why i said change there ToS could you opt of the mails then you opt out of our service

My point is there is massive amounts of bad things they could do that was just one of them, thought of quickly to make a point. Google are in this to make money not to make people happy.

Burnsy2023 · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:54

Isotope said:
Because their stuff is pants. Simple really.

Then it's really easy to download an alternative, this has always been the case. At the end of the day, the Yahoo! aquisition will benefit most users, and for the people who want to stay clear, they can.

Burnsy

chesterstu · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:54

Isotope said:
Because their stuff is pants. Simple really.

OMG - my fanboy detector just exploded in my hands

FirebarUK · 1 Feb 2008 at 16:58

Microsoft's online presence is all over the place anyway, Live this Live that, what the chuff is it aiming for?! At least Google seem to have some relatively clear strategies of where they want to head. Microsoft taking over Yahoo is going to be a real mess imo.

iSam · 1 Feb 2008 at 17:00

chesterstu said:
OMG - my fanboy detector just exploded in my hands

Elementary my dear Watson. I just like things that work thats all.

chesterstu · 1 Feb 2008 at 17:02

Isotope said:
I just like things that work thats all.

I wish people would stop spinning that tired old line. My PC just works and best of all i can upgrade any part i like with any other part i like

scorza · 1 Feb 2008 at 17:03

chesterstu said:
Well you see that's why i said change there ToS could you opt of the mails then you opt out of our service

Doesn't matter if they change their ToS, they'd still be acting illegally (in the UK at least). I thought we were talking about a hypothetical situation where Google had a M$-like monopoly in "web-services" anyway? In which case opting out of the service altogether wouldn't be an option.

chesterstu said:
My point is there is massive amounts of bad things they could do that was just one of them, thought of quickly to make a point. Google are in this to make money not to make people happy.

I agree it's good to be paranoid but imo you can only really judge a company by its past actions not by its potential actions, which is why I'd be prepared to give Google a bit of leeway with their monopoly but not Microsoft.