Atheist Sees Image of Big Bang in Piece of Toast

Tefal said:
So you learnt basic morals from your parents like i said earlier, and your pack instinct makes doing such pointless and damaging things unappealing, and then as you go through life you gain new morals to adapt and thrive, and you will pass them on to your children who will then adapt them to the situations they find themselves in.
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yes I said I believe in natural instinct,

but morals aren't genetically inherited like you seem to suggest.

I learnt basic morals from my parents yes, they are not necessarily correct, but I did not inherit them.
 
Tefal said:
before you where saying that morals come from religious texts, by saying that athists would not have morals due to no texts but are now saying they just come from environment.
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correct morals come from a specific religious text yes, but any other morals are environmental (religious texts themselves are "environmental") and partly from instinct (which is much more basic and self centered).
 
Monkey Puzzle said:
Do you agree that our physical make up affects how we feel (for example do you think that anti-depressants work, that cocaine makes peope feel elated and confident, caffeine make people more alert etc)?

Could you see how a chemical abnormality could lead to altered body function (eg in disease) and alterations in how people think (eg schizophrenia, depression etc)?

Could you accept that certain chemicals make us attracted to the opposite sex (or are you of the opinion that such things are confined to the mental realm and have no physical basis)?
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Sadly we are not that simple the mind exists to find ways around problems more complicated than instinct and the basic processes it provides, noise run away etc, and so is prone to getting confused and caught up trying to solve things it is not capable of till something finally gives and it settles on a solution which to its self and thus the person seams like agood idea, yet is not in any way a good idea. Like when sane people eventually snap and shoot their co-workers, the process is there but it just cant quite handle what's happening and so comes to a conclusion far outside the norm which most would reach.
 
yantorsen said:
correct morals come from a specific religious text .
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Right and this text is the new testament for you yes?

Why is this text more correct than others, why did you choose Christianity did you read all the others first or was this one chosen as it was the one you grew up with and so went with the first and most avalible solution to your problem?
 
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All I'm saying is morals are something you're born with and peoples morals are environmental, not genetic.
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No everyone has a base set of morals that is based on natural instinct. Just watch natural world, and you can see it. However more complex ethics is based on the animals intelligence and being self aware.

Religious/parenting ethics go ontop of your natural behaviour. Your christian upbringing tought your christian values, which are right or wrong depending on your stance. ie you believe abortion is wrong, and suprise suprise that what christianity teaches.


morals aren't genetically inherited like you seem to suggest.
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Yes they are. A child would not kill his mother for example as that goes against his own survival.
 
yantorsen said:
All I'm saying is morals are something you're born with and peoples morals are environmental, not genetic.
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That needs editing it doesn't make sense

yantorsen said:
hence why in this country our morals are usually different to Arab morals, because the governments/society is influenced by religion.
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Absolutely! As i've explained above religion was a good start and from there we now have a much more advanced society that does not need a supernatural being to oversee us and intimate us into following the rules of the land. If the bible disappeared off the face of the earth at midnight tonight society wouldn't descend into chaos. We have certain instinctive morals (humility, kindness, teamwork) and learned morals that are then taught as we integrate within our own society.
 
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Tefal said:
Sadly we are not that simple the mind exists to find ways around problems more complicated than instinct and the basic processes it provides, noise run away etc, and so is prone to getting confused and caught up trying to solve things it is not capable of till something finally gives and it settles on a solution which to its self and thus the person seams like agood idea, yet is not in any way a good idea. Like when sane people eventually snap and shoot their co-workers, the process is there but it just cant quite handle what's happening and so comes to a conclusion far outside the norm which most would reach.
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Holy lack of punctuation! Lay off the pipe.:p

What do you mean? I was implying that there are ways in which homosexuality could be physically determined, and people could be genetically more inclined towards homosexuality.
 
yantorsen said:
this begs the question then why don't we all stick to these instincts?
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Because we and our culture have evolved beyond these base instincts, we're intelligent enough to have idea of what is right and wrong.

yantorsen said:
No, I didn't say a Christian could see both sides, not a "perfect" Christian.

Only liberal "Christians" believe abortion can be ok.

I'm saying that 'cause it's logical doesn't make it moral.
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So a perfect christian, as you put it has no moral compass of their own and only uses a book written by other people to guide all of their choices? That, to me seems like an insane idea.
 
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