Even Kosovo?
Cuban President Castro stands down
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Even Kosovo?
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Grass is greener. They see dollar bills and think it will be better. They see the potential for a better future I guess too - not that they are necessarily correct.
Hmmmm....and how violent is he? How many wars has Cuba fought, how many countries invaded or bombed? I would suggest slightly less than those that have been blessed with democracy.
It was your "deserved" democracy that started the Bay of Pigs in '62. That has been illegally embargoing a country for the last 40 years. Your "deserved" democracy that has created the Helms Burton Act - a scandalous piece of legislation that America should downright ashamed of creating. Nothing like kicking a poor, starving country whilst it's down huh? It's your "deserved" democracy that's actually kept Castro in power for so long.
After introducing so many punitive measures against a country, just because it's leader didn't want to bow to it's might, when in actual fact all the Castro revolution was trying to do was restore it's own country through nationalisation of industry and farming?
Slightly off-topic but it's also your "deserved" democracy that stamps around the world trying to police things that it has no right butting into.
If your deserved democracy is always so childish, babyish, obscene, murderous, cruel and not to mention illegal, then you can keep it.
Yep. Good old freedom. I think they should use Iraq as a benchmark and work from there.....but seriously.
They leave because not everyone wants to live as a Socialist. As freefaller said, America is a very luring place. But look at many of them now, stranded in the ghetto's of Miami.
I really am opposed to America getting its hands on Cuba. If so I can just see a return to the old when Batista was in power, though a slightly more modern effort would see it turn to the Grand Canaria or Majorca of the US. A joke.
It must be better than what they had in Cuba, or they'd go back surely?
Geez all I said was that I hoped Cuba would return to democracy - surely gotta be better than another dictator?
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Pre-Castro, Cuba was a military dictatorship under Batista, so it was really no change apart from the colour of the dictatorship.
When I went to Cuba a few years ago I went on a trip and was really surprised(due to my own preconceptions) when the tourist guide started slagging off Castro's family. She accused them off various crimes. This was in front of the Cuban bus driver, who had a bit of English comprehension, and another guide. If it was as strict a regime as some seem to suggest then why would she risk imprisonment/loss of job etc. She was married with a small daughter, so had them to consider also.
Pro's - he got rid of the mafia, created a good health service(more doctors per patient than the UK and def. more dentists), good education system and OAP benefits.
Con's - he made some poor decisions about collectives(typically poor Soviet models) but then again, looking at the current events in the UK, have our leaders been perfect?
A Communist society is the ideal one. In a perfect world we would all be commies.
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I'd rather go Marxist then Communist, however most Communists/Marxists don't really seem to practice Marxism as Karl Marx intended.
The nearest you will find is the Israeli Kibbutz, where everyone pays in what they have and takes what they need. However they are selective about who gets into it so only really tends to be the wealthy
The greeks (the fathers of democracy surely) reckoned that benevolant dictatorship was actually the best form of government, emphasis on benevolant though.
Pre-Batista it was a democracy however.
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No, communism is an inherently evil system whereby everything you do is for the state. You cannot own anything yourself, so things like where you live are decided for you by the state. Any innovation only benefits those at the top of the pyramid, not the innovator.
Depends. As I was saying, in this case in particular a dictator is better then your Democracy.
Actually, Communism is ideally a system of government where the people work for the benefit of each other and the state, and everyone is equal. True it is abused by those in power, and often for their own gain.
A bit like how Democracy is supposed to be a system of government that fairly represents what the majority of people want it to do, and it's ministers are uncorrupted and accountable for all they do..
Not so. Communism as known in history is as you describe. Note I said in a perfect world.
In a perfect society the communist way would be the way. There would be no megarich, there would be no class structure, no proles, no state...
No - communism is all about common ownership, which is exactly as I described. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned "the state", but if everyone owns a house, someone has to decide who is entitled to live in that house. Plus if a system requires a perfect world to function correctly then it is a very imperfect system.
Thousands of Cubans living in Miami would disagree with you.
And LOL - what's with the "my democracy"?
Of course it is. Which is why I'm not suggesting we should put it in place.
Carry on stating the obvious
Because you're the only one in this thread advocating it as a solution to Cuba's problems.
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In a perfect communist state, everybody would have equal status and equal access to the resources of the state. All houses would be the same so it wouldn't matter who lived in which house.
Due to the nature of human beings and their innate desire to obtain more wealth or possesions than their peers, this communist utopia is unattainable but the theory is ideal.
Of course it is. Which is why I'm not suggesting we should put it in place.
Carry on stating the obvious
You said it was the ideal system. I'll carry on stating the obvious if I feel the obvious has been missed by a poster.