Explain the GTR?

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Hey,

How can you explain the GTRs capabilities? I've just been watching the EVO video of the GTR vs the 911 GT3, and it beats the GT3 by over a second. Now how does such a heavy car, stop, accelerate and corner better than the lightweight beast that is the GT3? What does this say about the potential V-Spec GTR which is due to be lighter and have even more power?

This car really has made a massive impact in the car world, and if the previous GTRs are anything to go by, will it just keep getting faster and faster?

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ScoobyDoo69
 
It's all about the computers :)

And given that I'm such a Luddite, I'd take the 911 GT3 over that heap of over-complicated frippery every single time.
 
ScoobyDoo69 said:
This car really has made a massive impact in the car world, and if the previous GTRs are anything to go by, will it just keep getting faster and faster?

Discuss

ScoobyDoo69
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Probably not, there will be powerful modified versions but the reason the previous Skyline's (OK I know the GTR isn't a Skyline) got so powerful was because of a tolerance miscalculation in the design of the block allowing it to take much more power very easily than it was initially supposed to, hence the 1000bhp+ Skyline's that are around.

The GTR uses a new design V6 rather than the old straight 6
 
Hey Nitro,

I'm not really talking about privately tuned ones. But I mean cars like the ones Nismo build, the 400R and such. If the V-Spec version is going to have 500bhp+ I can imagine that the Nismo cars are going to be up to maybe 600bhp.

Of course, the electronics play a massive part in the cars capabilities, but again, just think about how much the GTR weighs in at, I think it's well over 1800kg is it not? That's a heavy heavy car! The GT3 is what? Around 1400kg? Unless of course Nissan are lying to us about it's weight.
 
ScoobyDoo69 said:
Of course, the electronics play a massive part in the cars capabilities, but again, just think about how much the GTR weighs in at, I think it's well over 1800kg is it not?
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So, about the same as the current M5? And that's supposed to be The Ultimate Driving Machine™....
 
ScoobyDoo69 said:
Hey Nitro,

I'm not really talking about privately tuned ones. But I mean cars like the ones Nismo build, the 400R and such. If the V-Spec version is going to have 500bhp+ I can imagine that the Nismo cars are going to be up to maybe 600bhp.

Of course, the electronics play a massive part in the cars capabilities, but again, just think about how much the GTR weighs in at, I think it's well over 1800kg is it not? That's a heavy heavy car! The GT3 is what? Around 1400kg? Unless of course Nissan are lying to us about it's weight.
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Not sure about the weight as most car manufacturers try and state a lower weight than the car actually has. Current favourite from VAG is to omit the mass of the fluids, ie Veyon quoted weight is around 1900kg actual weight is over 2000kg.

They may have lied about the power though. :D
 
ScoobyDoo69 said:
But the current M5 can't perform anywhere near the GTR except in a straight line?
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I suspect it stops and accelerates almost as well. Obviously it won't corner at the same speeds - BMW tried, but even the M5 doesn't have quite as much computerised nonsense as the GTR :)

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I'd love to see how a GTR would run if you could turn all of the chassis electronics completely off. Would prove once and for all whether the electronics are there to make a good car great, or as a crutch.
 
The GT3 has just as many computers TBH. Except the computers on that are concentrating too much in keep the rear-engine layout in line rather than cornering elegantly.

It's not always as simple as "omg this car is x faster than this car"... the GTR may have been running much softer tyres or something. Or had a more aggressive geometry...

You can tweak just about any car to bias it to go round a track better than in stock form. But usually it degrades performance elsewhere... the stock settings are meant to be just the best of both worlds.
 
NathanE said:
The GT3 has just as many computers TBH. Except the computers on that are concentrating too much in keep the rear-engine layout in line rather than cornering elegantly.
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I'm pretty sure the GT3 has nothing like the ATESSA computer controlled AWD setup along with the Vehicle Dynamics Control system that the GTR employs. Though given Porsche's level of wussiness ever since lengthening the wheelbase for the 2nd gen 911, I'd guess that the GT3 does have traction control.
 
The GTR is simply built to a different set of rules and objectives and goes in a very different direction to a 911, which has a legacy of hurdles to overcome and has been evolved with those hurdles still in place to make it, im my opinion, the best sports car in the world. Stick a GT3 engine in a Cayman for example and set it up like a GT3 and I suspect it would be a lot quicker than both. The 911 is a brand icon and therefore Porsche has to work with it rather than taking the more logical route and sorting the engine position. Lets not forget the 911 does have 4 seats so its not simply a case of making it mid engined.

The GT3 is about the purity of experience, about the feel, about the noise, about the moment. The GTR will NEVER be capable of providing such purity as it uses clever technology to overcome its hurdles, no least its weight. If you set out to build a car that laps a track super quick you probably would not start with a 911, and Nissan didn't.

No question the GTR is stunningly fast and to do this it removes a lot of the challenges of making such a car fast by the use of technology in the same was a Eurofighter is amazing to fly becuase the computers control it within boundries and if removed it would be pretty much unflyable. Take all the clever diffs and electronic stability controls from the GTR and I suspect it would be a nightmare.

Still an amazing car mind, but I am not suprised a company with a 500bhp + engine can make a road car that laps a track as quicker or quicker than a GT3. Be nice to see it against a GT2 now, which has similar power. You will all find out soon that the GTR have over 500bhp...
 
Akira said:
The GTR is handmade by Ninjas. In the dark.
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I know its a joke but they are actually built alongside all the other normal Nissan cars.

There was a pic in EVO a couple of issues back with a GTR being built with normal run of the mill cars front and back on the line.

Surprised me as I thought they'd be pretty much seperate builds.
 
I think that reading between the lines on the Evo summary might give some clues. That infers that the GTR is better balanced, more progressive and easier to deal with at it's limits. The implications being that a competent driver will have the confidence to push it that bit more when close to the limits of the cars capability.
Reminds me a bit of a some of the cars that I've driven. The Westfield I tried last year was clearly not in the best state of affairs and broke away with virtually no notice. My own MX5 could be thrown around with wild abandon and gave loads of info on whether it was going to under or oversteer. The results were that I could drive my MX quite happily at the limits of it's grip, not something I would have dreamed doing with the Westfield I tried.
 
If you watched the 5th Gear test as well it beat the best time the Porsche did round the track by a second on the first lap!!! The Porsche that was supplied was also supplied with the intent of beating the GTR and was setup for track with track geometry/tyres/suspension... The GTR was not modified in any way off the boat... Appart from the stickers.. :D Regardless of the price/power/gizmos its a true beast of a car...
 
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