OMFG!

penski said:
Thirdly, your flippant remarks about nurses and MRSA are not applicable in the slightest.
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Would your view of transexuals change if you knew healthy (I saw healthy but obviously they were in hospital for a minor reason) people who had come out of hospital with MRSA and died?

Mine would, hence I think it is a total and utter waste of tax payers money to allow people to have their 'sex changed' on the NHS.
 
[TW]Fox;11249546 said:
My opinion is based purely on the economics of the situation at hand - the amount of suffering is tragic but I still can't agree with it when this sort of money is spent on this sort of operation WHILST elsewhere, people DIE from lack of funding.

Surely death is a bit more of a priority?
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I don't think I've ever seen someone contradict themselves so fast.

"My opinion is based on the economic factors...But wait, these poor people are dying!"

In la-la land, it's all great and you should get what you need. But the NHS is chronically underfunded. It CANNOT provide EVERYONE with what they need. Why then, are these things ok to go ahead when we have a shortage of nursing staff, MRSA issues, etc?
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So you want to exchange the pain of one person for the pain of another and simply shift a problem elsewhere in the NHS? That's frankly retarded.

If there is a problem you don't push it around, you try and fix it.

I'm sure that even you realise this?

*n
 
If the NHS had unlimited money then I'd not have an opinion on gender re-allignment through the NHS.

However it doesn't, so I do.
 
penski said:
So you want to exchange the pain of one person for the pain of another and simply shift a problem elsewhere in the NHS? That's frankly retarded.
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I'd like to exchange the mental pain of one person for the physical death of another.

Do you think the mentally ill are more important than the physically dying then penski?
 
PaulyJay said:
Would your view of transexuals change if you knew healthy (I saw healthy but obviously they were in hospital for a minor reason) people who had come out of hospital with MRSA and died?

Mine would, hence I think it is a total and utter waste of tax payers money to allow people to have their 'sex changed' on the NHS.
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Would yours change if you actually knew what a transexual goes through even before they point they seek help and the sheer amount of work involved in helping them?

Read the thread.

*n
 
[TW]Fox;11249589 said:
I'd like to exchange the mental pain of one person for the physical death of another.

Do you think the mentally ill are more important than the physically dying then penski?
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Take your straw man elsewhere.

Both are important, both require assistance. Instead of wishing to condemn one group to a hellish existance, perhaps you should try and make a change higher up and actually make a difference?

*n
 
[TW]Fox;11249582 said:
If the NHS had unlimited money then I'd not have an opinion on gender re-allignment through the NHS.

However it doesn't, so I do.
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Why is care for transsexuals less 'worthy' in your eyes than say care for people with depression, care for people with cancer, care for people with congenital defects, care for someone who has broken a leg playing football...?

*n
 
Why do people think the MRSA problem is due to a lack of money?

Last time I checked hospitals in the US weren't exactly short of cash yet the problem is starting to spiral out of control over there too.
 
Question for penski/anyone else in the know.

Now i understand there would probably be a large number of phycological tests etc before it got to this stage but..

If they had a mental disorder which made them want to change sex, wouldn't giving them an operation rather than curing it be sort of like feeding it and possibly making it worse, like if you gave someone with severe paranoia a load of survalence equipment, etc.

Sorry for this being badly worded but I'm knackered and almost ready for bed.
 
Tefal said:
Question for penski/anyone else in the know.

Now i understand there would probably be a large number of phycological tests etc before it got to this stage but..

If they had a mental disorder which made them want to change sex, wouldn't giving them an operation rather than curing it be sort of like feeding it and possibly making it worse, like if you gave someone with severe paranoia a load of survalence equipment, etc.

Sorry for this being badly worded but I'm knackered and almost ready for bed.
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It can't really be equated to paranoia and isn't a mental 'disorder' insofar as being something that you can 'cure' with therapy or a pill...Although for a lot of people, thrapy can help an immeasurable amount.

You 'know' you're male, right? You feel 'male', you act 'male', you 'know' you're male.

Now imagine how you would reconcile feeling male and knowing that you are male if you were born with a verjayjay instead of a twig and giggleberries...

*n
 
Just some advice for Fox

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[TW]Fox;11249546 said:
My opinion is based purely on the economics of the situation at hand - the amount of suffering is tragic but I still can't agree with it when this sort of money is spent on this sort of operation WHILST elsewhere, people DIE from lack of funding.

Surely death is a bit more of a priority?

In la-la land, it's all great and you should get what you need. But the NHS is chronically underfunded. It CANNOT provide EVERYONE with what they need. Why then, are these things ok to go ahead when we have a shortage of nursing staff, MRSA issues, etc?
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Fox, the issues about funding in the NHS are considerably more involved than choosing between giving a tranny a lop, or disinfecting a bed.

I worked in IT in the NHS for a long time and the amount of waste I saw there was inexcusable. Items bought at considerable expense, and then discarded like used snot rags. The national email system cost over £90 million, then they decided that local NHS organisations could use their existing, perfectly useable, email systems if they wished. Take up on the national system was, to say the least, poor. It may be better now, but in the first year it had about 20k users. £4500 per user seem reasonable?

Likewise the cost of constant reorganisations are astronimical. The board of the HA was around 3.5 million in wages and expenses, the govt then decided that the NHS was out of touch with its public and split that HA into 4 PCT's, each with their own board. During that time many non PC specific managers were laid off, with a nice big chunk of cash for their troubles. Those 4 replacement boards then cost the NHS ~12million per annum in wages. Later those PCT's were reshuffled, laying many of those senior managers off, again with large payouts.

The IT was also split, then reformed, then split again, then reformed somewhere else. Each time with the creation of multiple new jobs, and large payoffs for those made redundant during the cutting stages.

Until the NHS is managed correctly the amount of cash spent on operations will be a drop in the ocean to the waste made my senior management and restructures.
 
Ok, I will

I have seen the financial costs of such procedures, and also spent time talking with the staff involved in the proccess. Not all case go through the NHS, infact, only a small amount do. It is a long winded and complicated, not to mention extrememly sensitive process. The NHS does not offer sex change operations. The only cercumstances whereby the NHS will offer this service is when there is sufficient proof of major affect on other aspects of life. So no, you dont just have to be 'depressed' to get one, but I think its wrong for the NHS to say they dont offer such a service, and for people to then take things into their own hands to provide a reason (self harming, hardming others, etc). The NHS should say no! all sex change ops should be done privately and the NHS money should be used for services it agrees to fund.

The issue as I see it is that the NHS are funding optional services while removing funding from mandatory services (shutting of hospitals, shortening of clinic hours, not funding out of hours GPs, etc).
 
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Some guy that works in our IT Support Team has just sent this e-mail to everyone in my Company - I swear to God this is not a wind up!

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Friends & Colleagues, Those of you who don't know me may like to stop reading now. Those that do know me may have noticed some changes over the past months.

The time has now come for even more changes, more than just cosmetic, to manifest themselves.

(And before you ask, no, I'm not leaving)

I am taking the next steps toward becoming the person I believe I have always been. When I come into the Office on Monday morning, it will be as Scuzi.
I'm sure you'll find Scuzi to be just as knowledgeable and helpful as I've always been, and she's looking forward to continuing the same working relationship with you all. As and when you see me in and around Elm House or ITN, do say hello; it is still me, after all.

I'm sure I can count on your support.

From Monday, my email address will be ,and my telephone number remains unchanged.I can also be contacted via the Service Desk as normal.

Oh, and I still intend being on the winning team at the Quiz!

Tim

Not so much a Rebranding Exercise........................More a Life-affirming Change.[/QUOTE]

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