OMFG!

[Adam]

Fair play to them, must have taken some serious bottle to change their lives for the better due to narrow minded people in this thread.

Can anyone honestly say they are offended by a transexual? Everyone can have a laugh but if this person was seriously unhappy as a man and wanted to improve their life as a female, I don't see the harm.

Remember, you only get 1 shot at life....

 

[[TW]Fox]

Everyone can have a laugh but if this person was seriously unhappy as a man and wanted to improve their life as a female, I don't see the harm

Neither can I, if they funded it themselves its nobodies business but their own and entirely their choice.

If, however, the NHS did it then a nurse could be hired for a year for the same money..

 

[Tunney]

They need their mental health treated, not just bowing to whatever their mental illness tells them they need this week.

Ah, if only real life was so simple.

IIRC, the condition isn't just mental. A lot of sufferers also have physical problems (infertility, genital deformities). The most most extreme form being shown in hermaphrodites.

Gender is a very complex subject.

 

[hiroofheroes]

When I was working in HR at the DVLA we had two men decide to become 'women'. One in particular seemed to pop by all the time and talk to the head of my HR department, and was clearly just a man in a dress, but everyone seemed to just accept it even if they thought it a little odd.

After all what difference does it really make, and as long as they don't take advantage of employers fears of a lawsuit just give them the benefit of the doubt. You'll soon look past it and just see them for who they are.

We had one guy with tourettes who would whoop and make odd noises, which was far more offputting, but after getting used to it you don't seem to notice it.

 

[Skeeter]

Oh if only penski knew how utterly ill-informed his areguments were....

 

[yak.h'cir]

I personally don't have anything against someone who would choose to do that, but I don't think I'd be able to take them seriously.

I'm guessing in this case there's no operations being done just yet, but I definitely think in cases where people choose to have a sex-change operation it should be entirely funded by themselves. Well maybe they could offer a 'staple it to your leg' option on the NHS but nothing more expensive. Especially when it seems there is currently a lack of money to provide enough beds/doctors as it is.

 

[penski]

So you think it's acceptable that one person can have £10-30k worth of NHS money to change sex becuase they are depressed, whilst at the same time otherwise healthy people die of MRSA?

Firstly, transexualism isn't depression and you have already shown how ignorant you are of depression by your comments in this thread. I bet you think people are just 'a bit sad' as well...

Secondly, it is the duty of the NHS to provide each individual with the care they require. As someone else has noted, Going to your doctor and saying 'I want to change sex' doesn't result in a week's wait before you get your wang lopped off and a pair of baloons shoved down your jumper. Patients have to prove they are making the right decision, have to live their lives as the person they want to be for a long, long time, and be assessed by more than one specialist in order to ascertain exactly what course of action is best for the patient. For some, simply wearing a padded bra and a skirt is enough. Others require hormone treatment and proper mental health treatment. For a few, the only correct course is surgery. It is only taken as a last resort and only after extensive assessment of the risks and applications involved by both the relevent PCT, specialists and the patient themselves.

Thirdly, your flippant remarks about nurses and MRSA are not applicable in the slightest.

You have no idea what you are talking about and are being sensationalist for the sake of it...All you are doing is showing your ignorance of the subject at hand.

*n

 

[gjrc]

i bet you as of next week he / she will be much more busy.

 

[Adam]

Neither can I, if they funded it themselves its nobodies business but their own and entirely their choice.

If, however, the NHS did it then a nurse could be hired for a year for the same money..

Yeah you have a point. However, if you were in their position i'm sure you wouldn't turn it down.

 

[penski]

Oh if only penski knew how utterly ill-informed his areguments were....

Yeah...I only know both MtF and FtM TS that are both pre- and post-op personally and have family members involved in the psychological assessments of such people. Completely ill-informed.

*n

 

[[TW]Fox]

You have no idea what you are talking about

You are right. I've no idea what any of this is about and have never worked within finance for the NHS where I was never in contact with any of the SLAs/invoices/other details relating to this sort of thing, ever.

 

[Frosti]

yeah Penski, you and your first hand experience are not wanted here!

 

[penski]

You are right. I've no idea what any of this is about and have never worked within finance for the NHS where I was never in contact with any of the SLAs/invoices/other details relating to this sort of thing, ever.

You know the costs. Big deal.

You have proven yourself to be completely ignorant of every other single aspect of the process.

Walk away, Fox. You're only harming your own reputation

*n

 

[penski]

yeah Penski, you and your first hand experience are not wanted here!

Evidence? Truth? Reason? Experience? Balderdash! It's just not the OCUK way!

*n

 

[[TW]Fox]

Careful you dont mistake 'experience' with 'what others tell you' penski.

Obviously if you are a pre-op yourself then I'll take that back.

 

[Makunouchi]

When she walks in the door slap her in the face with a *****, then laugh.

 

[penski]

Careful you dont mistake 'experience' with 'what others tell you' penski.

Obviously if you are a pre-op yourself then I'll take that back.

You haven't seen my breasts?

The fact that the experiences of every actual TS I know correlates with what I have been told by my great uncle and what I have been told when asking around here during my time with the NHS counts for nothing I suppose...

*n

 

[Frosti]

Careful you dont mistake 'experience' with 'what others tell you' penski.

Obviously if you are a pre-op yourself then I'll take that back.

I'm pretty sure if you are there to see somebody suffering first hand you are going to make a more informed opinion than somebody who wasn't.

 

[yak.h'cir]

Secondly, it is the duty of the NHS to provide each individual with the care they require.

I agree with most of what you are saying but I want to comment on this part here. Yes in an ideal world the NHS would do everything to make everyone as healthy and happy with themselves as possible. But with limited resources that's obviously not the case. Now this is not from first hand experience but it is my impression there is a shortage of doctors, nurses and beds. i.e. the things that are essential for providing life saving care and treatment. Now whilst there isn't enough money for this it seems odd that there would be money spent in order to provide people with hugely expensive operations and after-care that they don't physically need. i.e. I think with limited resources, those resources should be used to care for the diseased/injured first as best as possible.

It is simply not possible to provide every individual with all the care they require.

 

[[TW]Fox]

My opinion is based purely on the economics of the situation at hand - the amount of suffering is tragic but I still can't agree with it when this sort of money is spent on this sort of operation WHILST elsewhere, people DIE from lack of funding.

Surely death is a bit more of a priority?

In la-la land, it's all great and you should get what you need. But the NHS is chronically underfunded. It CANNOT provide EVERYONE with what they need. Why then, are these things ok to go ahead when we have a shortage of nursing staff, MRSA issues, etc?