Specialist Porsche Insurer?

Firestar_3x · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:32

housemaster said:
The chap who bought my GT3 bought it because it was clean, fresh and had everything that needed doing done, most of the other GT3's he looked at needed between £4K and £15K spending on them, which is why he was happy to spend over the odds to buy mine. He still paid Andy Fearn around £200 to make sure it was straight, a move I urged him to do as Andy knew my GT3.

Within the 3 months before selling I added 4 new tyres, a Porsche warranty, a fresh geo set up, a new front splitter and a service 2, probably costing me around £4K which I simply added, give or take to my selling price compared to the 'other' GT3's out there. You can go VERY wrong with a 911 if you don't get a good one and if in any doubt you did the right thing walking.

- Thats scary costs.

I was looking at a late (92) 944S2, it was the best one i'd found for sale and was up for just under 7k, so it was a cheap Porsche, even thought it had been very well looked after and had a folder full of service receipts, it was getting to the age it wanted the cams taking out, balance belt and other things doing (again), wasn't willing to spend 2.5k straight off on a 7k car, if it didn't need this doing it would have been mine.

Housey · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:32

Firestar_3x said:
The prices of the standard service schedule arn't too bad at all, they are even better at someone like Hartech, its when it starts needing other stuff that really pushes the prices up, or thats what i found anyways.

Yup, it sure does.

SC04 · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:32

housemaster said:
No, you looking at around £2500 on a GT3

A GT3 isnt a cheap porsche, I cant see an old 944/968 costing less than £1500 for service with brake replacment.

ironman · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:32

housemaster said:
No, you looking at around £2500 on a GT3

Around the same for Mercedes

[TW]Fox · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:33

gurdas said:
Around the same for Mercedes

Mercedes will service a GT3 as well?

Firestar_3x · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:34

SC04 said:
A GT3 isnt a cheap porsche, I cant see an old 944/968 costing less than £1500 for service with brake replacment.

944 was 285 for the front disks and pads and 265 for the rears + vat.

So not too bad.

Standard service was around 330 + vat.

Then + whatever else (and you will need other things, lol)

Housey · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:36

SC04 said:
A GT3 isnt a cheap porsche, I cant see an old 944/968 costing less than £1500 for service with brake replacment.

You mentioned £1500 in context to my post, a 944/968 would cost a lot less, it has far more 'normal' parts and most would not see an OPC anymore.

Housey · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:37

gurdas said:
Around the same for Mercedes

You can add another £2000 if you do the rears...

SC04 · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:40

Firestar_3x said:
- Thats scary costs.

I was looking at a late (92) 944S2, it was the best one i'd found for sale and was up for just under 7k, so it was a cheap Porsche, even thought it had been very well looked after and had a folder full of service receipts, it was getting to the age it wanted the cams taking out, balance belt and other things doing (again), wasn't willing to spend 2.5k straight off on a 7k car, if it didn't need this doing it would have been mine.

it doesnt really matter what needs doing now, if you want to keep up the service schedule it wont be a cheap porsche.

Housey · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:43

SC04 said:
it doesnt really matter what needs doing now, if you want to keep up the service schedule it wont be a cheap porsche.

No it will, get the bits done that needed doing, and you are into sensible money servicing, about the same as a hot hatch or 3 series. A 944 is a far less complex and far easier car to maintain and should be bullet proof once the 'normal' bits are sorted, we are talking about cars 20 years old that still deliver a great drive, the 968 is still as good as the best front engined rwd cars out there in my book, if a little 80's stylee.

SC04 · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:49

housemaster said:
No it will, get the bits done that needed doing, and you are into sensible money servicing, about the same as a hot hatch or 3 series. A 944 is a far less complex and far easier car to maintain and should be bullet proof once the 'normal' bits are sorted, we are talking about cars 20 years old that still deliver a great drive, the 968 is still as good as the best front engined rwd cars out there in my book, if a little 80's stylee.

this isnt about complexity, porsche were charging £1500 to service 944s in the early 1990s, the hourly rate doesnt change according to the age of the car, if you want the stamp in the book you get charged OTT, they are not going to charge you German and Swedish prices for pads and discs are they ?

the only cheap porsche is one you can service yourself, when I was into 944s there used to be a Rover V8 engine conversion, cheap as chips and could be made quicker than original.

ironman · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:57

housemaster said:
You can add another £2000 if you do the rears...

Is that for PCCB?

Housey · 8 Mar 2008 at 22:58

SC04 said:
this isnt about complexity, porsche were charging £1500 to service 944s in the early 1990s, the hourly rate doesnt change according to the age of the car, if you want the stamp in the book you get charged OTT, they are not going to charge you German and Swedish prices for pads and discs are they ?

the only cheap porsche is one you can service yourself, when I was into 944s there used to be a Rover V8 engine conversion, cheap as chips and could be made quicker than original.

My, you do like to throw a load of stuff out then try and join it all up together to make your point..

The 944 was not £1500 to service in the early 90's.

There are no 944's with an OPC warranty any more, so stamps in the book are not as important as most if not all with have a few indi stamps by now.

Prices have reduced because the vast majority of 944's are serviced by indipendents not OPC's so don't carry the overheads of OPC labour rates.

And finally, cheap is subjective, but costing the same to service as a normal family saloon to me means its fair to call it cheap.

Parts are cheaper now too as there are OEM options that we not available at the time the car was released which are much cheaper, pads and disks just one such example.

The 944 is a cheap car to run, thems the facts.

Housey · 8 Mar 2008 at 23:04

gurdas said:
Is that for PCCB?

I was joking about the rears

I was talking about non PCCB's as most people will move away from the standard OEM disks when they need changing, but for example..

you are looking at around £2500 fitted for a front and rear swap out to Alcons and Pagids.

SC04 · 8 Mar 2008 at 23:07

housemaster said:
My, you do like to throw a load of stuff out then try and join it all up together to make your point..

The 944 was not £1500 to service in the early 90's.

There are no 944's with an OPC warranty any more, so stamps in the book are not as important as most if not all with have a few indi stamps by now.

Prices have reduced because the vast majority of 944's are serviced by indipendents not OPC's so don't carry the overheads of OPC labour rates.

And finally, cheap is subjective, but costing the same to service as a normal family saloon to me means its fair to call it cheap.

Parts are cheaper now too as there are OEM options that we not available at the time the car was released which are much cheaper, pads and disks just one such example.

The 944 is a cheap car to run, thems the facts.

youre barking up the wrong tree or just barking mad, you seem to be treading in part DIY terrority here in which case of course a 944 is cheap to run, BUT NOT AT £120 per hour it isnt.

a major on a 944 owned by a family member needing new discs and pads and I guess other items cost £1500 in the early 1990s, they still have the receipt to prove it, North London dealer.

a work college a couple of years later, top end problem on 944, bill for £3,000, Ive built VW engines based on brand new blocks and a lot of tuning work for half that.

ive never mentioned indi servicing and cheap parts or warranties, so now whos throwing stuff around :confused:

Ive dealt with collectors who fake service books just to make a completley rebuilt vehicle look more desirable, a stamp isnt just about warranty :confused:

franchises can charge what they like, and Ive been ripped off by VW dealers, so cant see why any other dealer should be different.

SC04 · 8 Mar 2008 at 23:09

housemaster said:
I was joking about the rears

I was talking about non PCCB's as most people will move away from the standard OEM disks when they need changing, but for example..

you are looking at around £2500 fitted for a front and rear swap out to Alcons and Pagids.

so youre saying a porsche main dealer will fit the cheaper option for 'most' people ?

Housey · 8 Mar 2008 at 23:18

Sorry SC04 I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, you have lost me mate. I urge you to read this thread again, everyone seems to be having a different discussion to you. Do you or have you owned a Porsche by the way, or was it just a family member. You seem to have a much better understanding of them than me who has owned them and has others on order, who also has a father who currently owns one, and who also had a 944S2 and 968.

Where are you trying to go with this??

Housey · 8 Mar 2008 at 23:20

and go-karts are crap too

SC04 · 8 Mar 2008 at 23:23

housemaster said:
Sorry SC04 I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, you have lost me mate. I urge you to read this thread again, everyone seems to be having a different discussion to you. Do you or have you owned a Porsche by the way, or was it just a family member. You seem to have a much better understanding of them than me who has owned them and has others on order, who also have a father who currently owns one, and who also had a 944S2 and 968.

Where are you trying to go with this??

stop being so anal matey

my orginal point was that insurance costs for the tight arse OPs old man would be fairly insignifcant compared to running costs.

youre the one whos tried to take this somewhere trying to imply you only need a stamp for a warranty just for one example, the discussion is about cheap porsches, you dont get a cheap porsche if you need to, or just want to have it main delaer serviced? is that really difficult to understand?
I dont care how many porsches you own, its simple maths.
FYI I lost all interest in road going cars after taking up racing, hence never bought one, hopefully I'll be restoring a 78 911 sc, in the future.

ironman · 8 Mar 2008 at 23:36

SC04 said:
stop being so anal matey

youre the one whos tried to take this somewhere trying to imply you only need a stamp for a warranty just for one example, the discussion is about cheap porsches, you dont get a cheap porsche if you need to, or just want to have it main delaer serviced? is that really difficult to understand?
I dont care how many porsches you own, its simple maths.
FYI I lost all interest in road going cars after taking up racing.

You have clearly lost it.

944s are now old Porsches, yes parts need replacing but can be done at a lower cost now due to many various parts available at a cheaper price. Also you won't need to have it serviced at a main dealer, hence further lower costs. It makes sense to keep a new car serviced at a main dealer, a) to remain with the warranty conditions, b) affects the residual value, this goes out the window for a 944 thats decades old..........I fail to see whats difficult to understand about that.....