Here comes the 60GB 360...

[wannabedamned]

and ?, your point being ?, M$ is still a shortcut, and one which I prefer to use, I have no problem if 'Microsoft' I just prefer to use M$, I really can't fathom why people would take offence, I think the dollar sign suits it, I mean they are a multi-million dollar cooperation, there nothing wrong in that.

Thats actually where I thought the Dollar came from, I had no idea it was ever seen as a derogatory term. MS are M$ because they are loaded. Same with Bill-ionare Gates.

Just seems to me that on this particular forum, It's been adopted as Fanboy fodder or baiting. Which I do not seen it as.

 

[Wyrdo]

It's been adopted as Fanboy fodder or baiting. Which I do not seen it as.

Because there are some people who actually use it for that reason.

 

[Kreeeee]

Which I do not seen it as.

Look at the people who use "M$". Almost without fail it's the Sony fangirls who use it, to show that MS are a greedy company.

 

[NokkonWud]

I would say the same about anyone charging £54.99 for a WiFi adapter, even Sony as hard as you may find that to believe.

Sony did, but it was an 'all in one', so the cost is unknown. £425 on launch compared to £280 for an Xbox360.
Yes, £55 is expensive, but you don't need Wi-Fi, it's an optional extra - you don't need the official unit either.

Sony charge more than any other gaming company I've known (though Nintendo with the cost of Wiimote + Nunchuk pushes it) with £30 Multitaps (where N64/Gamecube/Xbox/Dreamcast all came with 4 ports), £30 memory cards (where as Xbox had built in HDD), £35 control pads (where other companies charged £30), £50 (?) Network adapter (where Xbox and Dreamcast had their Internet connections built in).

So lets not get into that.

The scary fact is, £425 is one of Sonys cheapest systems (despite being £145 more than the top Xbox360 at the time). At £300 the PS3 is a bloody bargain now in comparison.

 

[JBeck]

Sony did, but it was an 'all in one', so the cost is unknown. £425 on launch compared to £280 for an Xbox360.

Yes £425 was way too much but, it was a new machine and expecting it to retail at the same as 360 would be naive. The point to note though is the price is now £299 and you get a LOT more for your money in terms of hardware and accessories 'built in'. If Microsoft wern't such asses they'd drop the price of said add-ons to a none rip off level. Like you have said, Sony have historically charged more than anyone but if they can drop their prices so can Microsoft right...?
The thing with all these arguments about stuff built in isn't really necessary as Sony have always labelled the PS3 as more than just a games machine (a all-in-one MM centre if you like), whereas Microsft have pushed the 360 primarily for games. Therefore having everything built in and thus more expensive (initially) was a 'necessary evil' for the PS3. Again as you have stated, the PS3 is a absolute bargain (it really is) and if the die hard 360 fans could just be a bit more open minded about the thing and accept it for what it is, then there'd be less BS being spouted around here.
What I find interesting is that 'most' 360 owners have never had, or would want a PS3 and base their arguments on something they don't have much/any experience of. Whereas, most PS3 owners either have, or have owned a 360 and base their arguments on the personal experience they have had with it.

 

[Nanoman]

Sony did, but it was an 'all in one', so the cost is unknown. £425 on launch compared to £280 for an Xbox360.
Yes, £55 is expensive, but you don't need Wi-Fi, it's an optional extra - you don't need the official unit either.

Somehow its turned into a versus thread. Comparing launch prices on two different consoles isnt a valid argument at all! Different technologies. Blu-ray alone is a sole reason for a higher retail cost, even though the price tag may not have appealed to some back then it was still the cheapest Blu-ray player available and thats without the gaming aspects. I also think youre underestimating Wi-Fi, there are v. few people I know that arent using it, I'm pretty confident that its easily the most common option for internet connectivity, cant be arsed to source that.

Sony charge more than any other gaming company I've known (though Nintendo with the cost of Wiimote + Nunchuk pushes it) with £30 Multitaps (where N64/Gamecube/Xbox/Dreamcast all came with 4 ports), £30 memory cards (where as Xbox had built in HDD), £35 control pads (where other companies charged £30), £50 (?) Network adapter (where Xbox and Dreamcast had their Internet connections built in).

So lets not get into that.

Prices vary and previous generation hardware is not directly comparable, times have changed, network adapters for PS2 were niche back then for example. Generally controllers and games are priced competitively though I remember seeing some 64 games circa £70 and lets not forgot additions such as Play n Charge kits, HD drive add-ons and Live in this gen.

The scary fact is, £425 is one of Sonys cheapest systems (despite being £145 more than the top Xbox360 at the time). At £300 the PS3 is a bloody bargain now in comparison.

IMO back then the £145 still wouldnt of got the 360 the same options, which means I think it was reasonably priced. But my original point was that some 360 accessories are extortionate.

 

[kdd]

360 = cheap but accessories are a ripoff

PS3 = expensive but needs no accessories

360 core is avail;able for peanuts now but a hd addon and the network adapter bump up the cost quite a bit. I bought a 2nd hand 360 core and 2 games for £140 last week but a h/d and a network adapter are going to increase the total cost to £260.
Overall though in harware terms the ps3 and 360 are similar enough that any game that is not made by sony or ms is going to be pretty much the same, and i doubt software companies are going to make games that play favourites to one specific format, unless either ms or sony start going for the exclusive big payout deals. Ultimately it's all about the games, whether you want forza 2 or gt5, or halo 3 or er... resistance fall of man.

 

[kdd]

ok ps3 has bluray as well forgot about that lol.

 

[NokkonWud]

Somehow its turned into a versus thread. Comparing launch prices on two different consoles isnt a valid argument at all! Different technologies. Blu-ray alone is a sole reason for a higher retail cost, even though the price tag may not have appealed to some back then it was still the cheapest Blu-ray player available and thats without the gaming aspects. I also think youre underestimating Wi-Fi, there are v. few people I know that arent using it, I'm pretty confident that its easily the most common option for internet connectivity, cant be arsed to source that.

Wired is the most common for Internet connectivity. It was posted here before. Blu-Ray was the major reason for the extra cost, not the sole reason, believing that is naive.
It's not a versus thread, it's a comparison thread. The 'versus' stuff came a whole lot earlier in the thread.

Prices vary and previous generation hardware is not directly comparable, times have changed, network adapters for PS2 were niche back then for example. Generally controllers and games are priced competitively though I remember seeing some 64 games circa £70 and lets not forgot additions such as Play n Charge kits, HD drive add-ons and Live in this gen.

You say niche, millions of Xbox Live users would disagree.
Nintendo64 was cartridge, an expensive media, so not really comparible, we're talking discs here which are very cheap.
You're now adding unnecessary extras to the console, you don't need a play and charge, you can use batteries, the console is a games machine, so never pushed HD-DVD and Live is free unless you want to play online (so getting media/patches/videos etc.. is free, though the online aspect is a fair comparison and somewhere where Sony are better.

IMO back then the £145 still wouldnt of got the 360 the same options, which means I think it was reasonably priced. But my original point was that some 360 accessories are extortionate.

It cost me £280 to play games on my Xbox360, it cost me £425 to play games on my PS3, that's the only comparison I'm trying to make.

The 360 peripherals, such as controllers and play and charge kits aren't too bad at all. The HDD and Wi-Fi (which is a very good a/b/g device let us not forget) are over-priced.
Mentioning the HD-Drive is moot though, it was an optional extra and has zero impact on how you play games.

 

[benjo plz.]

On more mature hardware forums, AVSforums for example, the constant use of $ for M$ or $ony would soon see your posting privalages removed.

Their fault for being stuck up

as a shortcut.

how?

 

[NorthstaNder]

Get reliability sorted; bigger HDD; quieter DVD drive; built in Wi-Fi and then I'll buy another one. Until then, no thanks.

ah...no wonder you've never accepted my friends request!

 

[Things change I've changed]

How ?

what do you mean how ?, I'm sorry I don't understand.

 

[wannabedamned]

what do you mean how ?, I'm sorry I don't understand.

I think they are wondering how M$ is a short cut when compared to MS.

For the people that don't get it, They are BOTH short cuts of Microsoft, And just as easy to type.

I don't think anyone is saying M$ is a shortcut for MS

 

[Things change I've changed]

I think they are wondering how M$ is a short cut when compared to MS.

For the people that don't get it, They are BOTH short cuts of Microsoft, And just as easy to type.

I think anyone is saying M$ is a shortcut for MS

But I'm not using M$ as a shortcut to 'MS', I'm using 'M$' as a shortcut to the word 'Microsoft' as as apposed to using 'MS'.

 

[wannabedamned]

But I'm not using M$ as a shortcut to 'MS', I'm using 'M$' as a shortcut to the word 'Microsoft' as as apposed to using 'MS'.

I know that, I don't think they did People are easily confused these days

 

[Things change I've changed]

I know that, I don't think they did People are easily confused these days

lol yeah I wasn't directing that at you even though I quoted you, I was just stating it for the benefit of others and at the same time agreeing with what you said .