The Budget - Band G Tax £1000!

[TW]Fox;11278726 said:
So you'd consider an Impreza STi @ its current price of £24995 but if it was £25995 you wouldnt?

How odd.


It's not the fact that the car is an extra £1K as you say it makes little difference in the grand scheme of things (see what I did there :p).

It's the fact it going to government who will only waste it in the same way they do the rest of the taxes I pay. Their justification... it's not environmentally friendly.
 
[TW]Fox;11278929 said:
I never said we should 'just be happy' and indeed its in our interests to pay as little as possible but an increase of £1k on a £25k car will not put people off buying them. I mean what else are you going to buy instead?

If you go by what the government wants us to buy, something they'd describe as "Green" :mad:.

I do get your point, and from a purely personal point of view i'd just be annoyed at having to pay the extra £1000. Whether i'd get over that and stump up the extra cash i don't know, depends how much i really wanted it. As you mentioned im not actually looking for a new car at the moment, so the £1000 probably seems more of an issue than maybe it would be when it came to crunch time.
 
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sooner or later this will roll down into more mainstream cars.
And the net effect of that? More untaxed cars on the road... and if you're gonna dodge the tax, what about insurance? MOT? License?

and we live in a Democracy? Aye... right.
 
I do get your point, and from a purely personal point of view i'd just be annoyed at having to pay the extra £1000. Whether i'd get over that and stump up the extra cash i don't know, depends how much i really wanted it.

Just imagine looking at the car in the showroom and the sign says £24995otr + £1000 Nice Car Tax.

:D
 
Just imagine looking at the car in the showroom and the sign says £24995otr + £1000 Nice Car Tax.

:D

LOL, yeah :D Maybe the government can put a positive spin on all these taxes by calling them something nice in order to make them sound beneficial to us (rather than the current environmental angle thats meant make us feel bad about ourselves and the world).

I think your onto something here ... :D
 
Just for the record, not that I really care either way. But cars are the 3rd highest contributer to CO2 emissions.

But to clarify, not one car on its own, all cars together.
 
[TW]Fox;11279329 said:
Source?

I thought cars were bottom of a very long list including farming, air travel, haulage industry, shipping and power generation.

Didn't you know, you don't need a source for random global warming fud, or if you do, you use a GW fud site as your source and pretend it's unbiased and not solely reliant on people who are defending their pet theories...
 
Using a computer with a 500w PSU under full load actually uses 272g of CO2 per hour. If I play Crysis or SupCom for 4 hours a day then I do as much damage to the environment as driving 33km in a Band G car.

Source for CO2/kw figures

Quick! Everyone start playing Computer games so they're forced to lower car tax! :D
 
Using a computer with a 500w PSU under full load actually uses 272g of CO2 per hour. If I play Crysis or SupCom for 4 hours a day then I do as much damage to the environment as driving 33km in a Band G car.

Source for CO2/kw figures

Quick! Everyone start playing Computer games so they're forced to lower car tax! :D

Ssssshh, or there will be a "green" tax on using computers next.

You've got a 600W supply so that's band F and £230 a year to play Crysis, what this you have a 1000W supply thats band G and a £1000 please or no Crysis for you :D
 
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That a large chunk of our CO2 emissions come from cars, and that you should show restraint when (1) buying and (2) using because the amount we emit is a problem.

you can tell when people who dont normally post in motors wander in when they see a topic in the "last post" headline on the forum index

This is a prime example of why we as people, quite frankly deserve to die out. Its people like this, that dont reasearch subjects off their own back, and base their own oppinions on whats in the media, that really annoy me. We're such a gullibe race who'll believe anything. Wise up man !

if your reading this, let me ask you some questions

1) Exactly how did we emerge from the last ice age. Look at the accepted reason for why we have the mountains we do in the lake district. This is was due to the ice pushing apart the landscape. This ice then melted at the end of the landscape, leaving the vast vallies we find now.

How did the earth warm up so much as to end an ice age ? some 8000 years ago, long before any human co2 emissions.

2) Have you ever considered if "all" the scientists in the world accept that global warming is due to man made emissions ? The answer is no they dont. heres an interesting article by one such scientist, who disagreed with the scientists that say its man made

http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/pdf/the-ipccs-cardinal-error.pdf

The reaction from the scientific community speaks volumes. Why are they actively trying to supress him ?

3) have you done any research of your own ? or just read whats listed in the tabloids ?

Because there is a wealth of information on the internet, by people who believe that climate change is not man made. And these arent some crack pots. I suggest you have a read

http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/index.cfm

and

4) What about the points that others raise. Why is taxing high pollutions cars a good idea. If you take a look at the facts, the cars driven by motorists account for about 2 % of global co2 production. If every single one of us stopped driving our cars one day and everybody rode bikes everwhere, the Co2 production would have rose back to the level before we gave up cars very quickly. What would it achieve if we all stopped driving cars ??
 
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Using a computer with a 500w PSU under full load actually uses 272g of CO2 per hour. If I play Crysis or SupCom for 4 hours a day then I do as much damage to the environment as driving 33km in a Band G car.

Source for CO2/kw figures

Quick! Everyone start playing Computer games so they're forced to lower car tax! :D

That really does put into perspective quite how utterly pointless all this C02 based crap against car owners really is.
 
[TW]Fox;11279832 said:
That really does put into perspective quite how utterly pointless all this C02 based crap against car owners really is.

And just to add to that... think of everything in your house that runs off the mains. Things that are on all the time - fridges, freezers etc. Big power users such as ovens, kettles and vacuums. Then there's all the lighting, tvs, dvd players. Running a normal house for a week must be nigh on the same as putting decent mileage on a big 4x4.

Kettle tax anyone? :rolleyes:
 
2) Have you ever considered if "all" the scientists in the world accept that global warming is due to man made emissions ? The answer is no they dont. heres an interesting article by one such scientist, who disagreed with the scientists that say its man made

http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/pdf/the-ipccs-cardinal-error.pdf

The reaction from the scientific community speaks volumes. Why are they actively trying to supress him ?

Very interesting article, I'd recommended everyone to read that. If his calculations are correct then we are really crippling western industry for no good reason.
 
you can tell when people who dont normally post in motors wander in when they see a topic in the "last post" headline on the forum index

This is a prime example of why we as people, quite frankly deserve to die out. Its people like this, that dont reasearch subjects off their own back, and base their own oppinions on whats in the media, that really annoy me. We're such a gullibe race who'll believe anything. Wise up man !

Ease up, I find the biggest let down here is the fact they wish to follow rather than question. This is not a fault instead they are just misinformed and led to believe such stuff, don't be so harsh! One of the positive gains is that more people are beginning to realise, which is good.

2) Have you ever considered if "all" the scientists in the world accept that global warming is due to man made emissions ? The answer is no they dont. heres an interesting article by one such scientist, who disagreed with the scientists that say its man made

http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/pdf/the-ipccs-cardinal-error.pdf

The reaction from the scientific community speaks volumes. Why are they actively trying to supress him ?

I saw a BBC Documentary that showed scientists in the UK discovering that it is made up got discredited and accused by government bodies and were sacked.

The reason is obvious; lies - £££ in tax and people believing they are helping the earth or truth - no benefit.

Do we see any of the MPs going green? spending less? being economical? envrionmentally friendly? etc, there is too much double standards.
 
[TW]Fox;11279329 said:
Source?

I thought cars were bottom of a very long list including farming, air travel, haulage industry, shipping and power generation.

Dunno, Just saw it on some billboard in...oh wait....London :p
 
Using a computer with a 500w PSU under full load actually uses 272g of CO2 per hour. If I play Crysis or SupCom for 4 hours a day then I do as much damage to the environment as driving 33km in a Band G car.

Source for CO2/kw figures

Quick! Everyone start playing Computer games so they're forced to lower car tax! :D

The link doesnt work at the moment but im failing to see the rational behind those figures?

A car that emits 272g/km sat in band G would have to drive 4km to make the same CO2 and the 500w PSU running for 4 hours.

Bold point probably isnt true anyway :p
 
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