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Whats with the massive jump at 40mph?
Not sure if you're just messing but I'll answer it seriously:
Listen to the sound of the engine - the jump is me throwing in to the next gear, a bit painful to listen to but the wheel hop meant once it gained grip it chased the limiter down pretty damn quick.
Edleake, I get a violentish shudder like on your 4k launch video when flooring it in first (not launching it).
Any ideas on how to improve this? Obviously less gas, but 1st gear is so short anyway.
Apparently some powerflex bushes can help?
This is on my FWD Octy VRS, similar power to the accord but obviously turbo.
Any ideas on how to improve this? Obviously less gas, but 1st gear is so short anyway.
Apparently some powerflex bushes can help?
This is on my FWD Octy VRS, similar power to the accord but obviously turbo.
It has really suprised me how sceptical people are about a cars performance even though its totally obvious they know nothing about the car that is in question , the facts and maths have been placed in front of you and yet its still impossible to be true .
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A number of reasons it can happen and yes bushes are at play here (literally).
Think of how small the tyre contact patch is. Then consider the lateral suspension movement as the forces act on the tyre, load up the contact patch and how the engine moves and loads on its own 'suspension' (mounts), this alls happens in a fraction of a section but can be quite violent. The energy involves is substantial, loads can be applied both up and down the spectrum both forcing the contact patch to expand under pressure and reduce as load is reduced. These fractional chances occur rapidly. A standard factory bush in your standard factory saloon will have a fair tolerance built in for comfort, the bush actually performs a certain amount of deformation to dampen to the environment around it (metal connection to metal) and this deformation actually allows just enough movement for a suspension component to move out tolerance, this give doesn't help wheel hop. Additionally it doesn't help with controlling geometry, hence poly bushes are used on performance cars to keep geometry in track, controlled and true.
Literally the smallest amount of movement in the suspension can create hop and by suspension I mean the tyre too. Stiffer bushes, a lower CoG and stiffer springs will all help, you can move the centre of inertia, change weight bias, lean the weight over the wheel improves things ala drag cars but this isn't really appropriate for road use.
Also power (especially F/I) will make hop more/less apparent defendant on how it's delivered to the floor.
Honda try and remove hop by adding torsion bars extended from the front lower cross member to the suspension control arm. These bars are cross directional to 'brace' the lower arm from moving (we're talking fractions of an inch). You could employ a similar method, have two bars cut to length and bolted up, I'm not familiar with the Octy buy you may find they already exist.
It could also come down to tyre, road surface and the weather! Too much grip and breaking traction will result in hop, too little and you'll spin instead of slipping past your traction limit in a controlled manner.
The simplest and cheapest test would be to play with tyre pressures front to rear running hard on the back and softer up front working your way up.
That said although not cheap a set of poly bushes are a great addition to any enthusiastically driven car, even a stock saloon.
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What is so illegal about doing a 0-60 run that would mean you have to avoid showing the road?
Woa. Actually, your Accord is well down. It turns out it can do it in 3.5 seconds. Check this vid
You can say what you like, and post as many videos as you like. I'm still not going to beleive that a bog standard type R can do a sub 6 launch.
Woa. Actually, your Accord is well down. It turns out it can do it in 3.5 seconds. Check this vid
You can say what you like, and post as many videos as you like. I'm still not going to beleive that a bog standard type R can do a sub 6 launch.
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Wow, great reply. Thanks mate 
The bushes don't seem to be too badly priced, just trying to work out if I can fit them myself (novice level really). I've had stage 1 tuning and a few other bits done to it and I think it's time I improved the handling as it's only "good" as standard. Rear arb, some new bushes etc...
Will look into the things you have suggested. Also could be fun to try different tyre pressures
The judder feels horrid! Oh... and I think a 100cel decat + cat back will be ordered after. Performance cars suck.
The bushes don't seem to be too badly priced, just trying to work out if I can fit them myself (novice level really). I've had stage 1 tuning and a few other bits done to it and I think it's time I improved the handling as it's only "good" as standard. Rear arb, some new bushes etc...
Will look into the things you have suggested. Also could be fun to try different tyre pressures
The judder feels horrid! Oh... and I think a 100cel decat + cat back will be ordered after. Performance cars suck.
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Erm..
a) The E39 M5 does NOT weigh 2500kg. It weighs 1800kg with driver and a tank of fuel - 1650-1700kg without.
b) The E39 530i has a higher top speed than the Accord Type R (Electronically limited to 155 versus Honda's claim of 141mph). Even if we are generous to the Type R and accept the fact its top speed is some 10% over the claimed speed, that means the Type-R has the SAME top speed as the 530. The 530i weighs 1605kg with driver, passenger and a tank of fuel - sub 1500kg without. This is not far off the Accord. It has NO rear wing.
The Accord Type R's ironing board is simply a styling addition. It has no practical purpose at all.
Clearly you're not, you drive a Fiat.
Variety is the spice of life.
As for showing the road, doing a launch to over 60 on a public highway is classed as dangerous driving.
When all is said and done I would happily recreate that video with some form of 'referee' present, it could even be your good self. I'd hire the kit again and we could slip our rubber together all day long.
You seem to have got a recent things for Tegs.
Teg's are cool. Why? Becuase they are focused car. They make no pretence - they are a stripped fast road/trackday car and probably the best handling FWD car ever made. No hassle, no BS, no sauce. I don't LIKE Teg's myself and would never buy one but I totally get them and totally understand why people would want them and totally appreciate their purpose and appeal.
The Accord Type-R was a badge engineered range topping Honda Accord. Bleat on about it being a supercar which weighs nothing all you like, its rubbish (The bleating, not the car), it's a Honda Mondeo ST200. A decent, quick largeish car.
I've said it before and I'll continue to say it - the styling of the Type R is a mess. It's a half way house. Honda clearly couldnt decide whether to go for subtle, understanded look or the all out 'I am fast, get out of my way look'. So they went for a restrained, subtle bodykit with some tasteful wheels. And an absolutely enormous spoiler. Great...
Please fully star your swear words as my young boy could read that
[TW]Fox;11293525 said:
Well yes and no actually.
You are right in your earlier posts that it requires some speed to come in to play, but on longer sweeping bends at speed (we're talking ~70+) it does act to keep the rear in check.
If you look at the typical shape of a car the air will travel further and faster over the top of the car than it does underneath, this creates lift - the Coanda effect.
Now for a spoiler to be effective it needs to be mounted as high up the car as possible, hence the Accords being rather tall (as is the ITR's for a stock road car). Honda did this for a reason, effectiveness.
Sure it's going to make a very small difference but it DOES make a difference, try driving an Accord R on the track with and without that rear fin, you'd be very surprised how much it's actually doing to stabilize the car at speed by reducing lift.
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What on earth does that have to do with the price of fish
Bias perhaps?
And a bit of a fishing comment, I should know better and I apologise.
This is a GENUINE question and I am now not picking - why does my car not have a big wing? It's performance is largely similar. Why does an Audi RS4 not have a big wing?
Had BMW done an OEM wing it'd have looked well cool
[TW]Fox;11293565 said:
Well I'll admit to thinking that before I truly looked in to the actual makeup of the Accord Type R NOT the Accord.
It wasn't just a badge engineering exercise, the Civic Type R (EP3) is a badge exercise in the MOST definitive sense.
I'll do a quick list of what Honda did to the Accord Type R to make it perform better than stock;
LSD
Lighter fly
Lighter front glass (ala DC2)
Lighter carpet (als DC2)
Lighter rear bench
Removed front and some rear sound deadening
Numerous engine enhancements (hand built and ported in Japan)
No sunroof
NSX front calipers with 300mm discs
Wider track
Numerous geometry enchantments and adjustments through bush and control arm changes.
etc
And the MOST important part, they braced the chassis in 12 places increasing stiffness by 40%. Lots of hidden work under the skin doesn't equate to a badge engineering exercise.
They didn't just throw 'Type R' badges at the car, they engineered it, just as they did the DC2 and EK9.
The Civic Type R however is a base Civic with go faster bits throw on, hence I dislike them out of (engineering) principle.
I'm not suggesting the Accord R is a super car, it's an accomplished sports saloon but there's more than meets they eye under the skin.
[TW]Fox;11293677 said:This is a GENUINE question and I am now not picking - why does my car not have a big wing? It's performance is largely similar. Why does an Audi RS4 not have a big wing?
Had BMW done an OEM wing it'd have looked well cool
A good question.
Perhaps it boils down to one thing that massively concerns these two companies, image?
Teg owners have offered up similar experiences when removing their rear wing, stability is compromised. In fact I might be able to find a lengthy topic on the teg forum about it, might be a little dry reading tho!
Haha, I bet you use to run to the teacher and shout, MISS MISS this boy said a naughty word.