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Do you believe all male dogs are vicous or something?
Because my dog isn't and he's a male, He's 15 and has never bitten anyone or anything.
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Do you believe all male dogs are vicous or something?
Because my dog isn't and he's a male, He's 15 and has never bitten anyone or anything.
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Proper training classes. They have:
a) places 'similar' to the said basket ball courts you mention where dogs are on the outside.
b) within 'halls' or other confined places with dogs ON LEAD at the edges.
You then get to a point where your dog walks by other dogs on the lead making sure there's no distractions (treats, toys, dogs playing)
To be honest Gilly, you're mum is in the wrong. There's no denying that, and I'd like to think you've got the balls to admit to that.
Having said that, I DO 100% agree with you that you 'should' be able to let your dog off the lead with the confidence that your dog will have a good run/play with a bit of freedom.
But you've admitted he's a bit giddy off the lead, and YOU know he wants to play but other people don't. And the ideal situation, which CAN happen, is as soon as you mum saw the other bloke she called Rocky back and he was on the lead.
Seriously, I am sorry that Rocky has been hurt and your mum is probably feeling as guilty as hell.
I get all defensive of my two bull terriers but I can GUARANTEE, that their recall is excellent because they've been professionally trained (at a cost of only £15pw).
Seriously, get Rocky trained to a confident level and you'll reap the benefits.
He's finishing his puppy class next week and starting Bronze Good Citizen the week after.
To be honest I'm going to look for additional classes because I'm not entirely convinced that the training he is getting from the place we're going to now is good enough.
To be honest I'm going to look for additional classes because I'm not entirely convinced that the training he is getting from the place we're going to now is good enough.
Was walking my sisters dog king charles spaniel about 4 months old on a local green in morden surrey it's a very shall we say chavvy area ? anyway this guy comes out of the wooded area with what looks like a staff off the lead it comes up to the puppy and before I can pick it up has the puppy in it's jaws thrashing it around.Naturally I proceeded to kick the living stuff out of the attacking dog to get it off.
Charlie had puncture wounds but luckily not deep quite frankly I think all of these dangerous dogs should be banned if some kid comes anywhere near me with a pitbull or staff whilst Im walking the dog I warn them now that I will kill their dog if it attacks me or my niece or our dogs.
It's the chavvy idiots that want and own these dogs that are the real problem.
Charlie had puncture wounds but luckily not deep quite frankly I think all of these dangerous dogs should be banned if some kid comes anywhere near me with a pitbull or staff whilst Im walking the dog I warn them now that I will kill their dog if it attacks me or my niece or our dogs.
It's the chavvy idiots that want and own these dogs that are the real problem.
Hi mate Here's my take,
Firstly Gutted about the whole incident & i hope your Mum & Dog recover quickly
This has happened to me lots of times & I avoid the park even though it is 10 metres from my back door because of it. I keep my Frank staffy dog on a short lead & avoid places where other people let there dogs loose. Basically i am Sick of controlling my dog properly when other people don't/can't. Worse thing about Franks attitude to other dogs was he got it by trying to socialise with a nasty Colly who bit him in the head & shook him about. Frank walks over all submissive & this **** Colly bites & shakes him about when he was only 18 months old. now Frank Hates other dogs unless they are bitches or very very submissive. I take No chances with him so only walk him around the local pavements & even cross roads or duck into peoples front gardens to avoid other dogs, The Last thing i want is my pet to hurt somebody elses pet. Still you can't stop people letting there dogs like yours do what they like so inevitably somebody's dog comes bouncing up to Frank. Frank huckers up & i hold him real close & i shout at the top of my voice, Get your Dog away mine is not friendly & i shout this at the owner & i shout at the dog. Most of the times it has happened the dog has stopped or slowed enough for the owner to get hold of it but not every time. If the other Loose dog comes in & they start fighting i will Not put my hand in amongst Franks teeth to get bitten & locked on to. Neither will i hold my dog in such a way as to restrict his natural DEFENCIVE actions.
The last time this happened Frank was attacked whilst we walked past somebody's front garden, No stand off nothing the dog just flew out & attacked Frank. It kicked off big style at my feet so i just kicked out with my foot/trainer not aiming at either dog just trying to break it up. next thing i heard was "You just kicked my ****** dog " & when i looked up there was a fist heading for my face. I stepped sideways & jabbed the bloke, this just ****** him off & he steamed me so i gave him two All Mighty right hooks which knocked him senseless. I walked home & rang the old bill & reported his dog for attacking Frank & him for attacking me as i was quite worried about the whole incident.
The police where obviously involved & after the chap got out/back from hospital it was settled with a shake of the hand & No charges were pressed against me.
I often wonder what would have happened if i would have been a women or younger bloke who couldn't defend himself with a dog who couldn't defend itself either.
Fortunately that uncontrollable dog & uncontrollable owner met me & both party's were big enough to deal with it like Men.
Lots of deep emotions are tied up in peoples pets & situations can quickly spiral out of control. Thankfully nobody was hurt in your case but it bodes well to take it on board as a lesson to avoid any future confrontations for either you or your pet
Firstly Gutted about the whole incident & i hope your Mum & Dog recover quickly
This has happened to me lots of times & I avoid the park even though it is 10 metres from my back door because of it. I keep my Frank staffy dog on a short lead & avoid places where other people let there dogs loose. Basically i am Sick of controlling my dog properly when other people don't/can't. Worse thing about Franks attitude to other dogs was he got it by trying to socialise with a nasty Colly who bit him in the head & shook him about. Frank walks over all submissive & this **** Colly bites & shakes him about when he was only 18 months old. now Frank Hates other dogs unless they are bitches or very very submissive. I take No chances with him so only walk him around the local pavements & even cross roads or duck into peoples front gardens to avoid other dogs, The Last thing i want is my pet to hurt somebody elses pet. Still you can't stop people letting there dogs like yours do what they like so inevitably somebody's dog comes bouncing up to Frank. Frank huckers up & i hold him real close & i shout at the top of my voice, Get your Dog away mine is not friendly & i shout this at the owner & i shout at the dog. Most of the times it has happened the dog has stopped or slowed enough for the owner to get hold of it but not every time. If the other Loose dog comes in & they start fighting i will Not put my hand in amongst Franks teeth to get bitten & locked on to. Neither will i hold my dog in such a way as to restrict his natural DEFENCIVE actions.
The last time this happened Frank was attacked whilst we walked past somebody's front garden, No stand off nothing the dog just flew out & attacked Frank. It kicked off big style at my feet so i just kicked out with my foot/trainer not aiming at either dog just trying to break it up. next thing i heard was "You just kicked my ****** dog " & when i looked up there was a fist heading for my face. I stepped sideways & jabbed the bloke, this just ****** him off & he steamed me so i gave him two All Mighty right hooks which knocked him senseless. I walked home & rang the old bill & reported his dog for attacking Frank & him for attacking me as i was quite worried about the whole incident.
The police where obviously involved & after the chap got out/back from hospital it was settled with a shake of the hand & No charges were pressed against me.
I often wonder what would have happened if i would have been a women or younger bloke who couldn't defend himself with a dog who couldn't defend itself either.
Fortunately that uncontrollable dog & uncontrollable owner met me & both party's were big enough to deal with it like Men.
Lots of deep emotions are tied up in peoples pets & situations can quickly spiral out of control. Thankfully nobody was hurt in your case but it bodes well to take it on board as a lesson to avoid any future confrontations for either you or your pet
I simply try to steer well clear of anything that even looks remotely dangerous but for example I sometimes walk my niece to school and she insists on the dogs coming and there's always some chav with a pit staff/"insert dangerous dog here" outside the gates too, trying to look all ard and stuff with chains and hoodies on their dogs.
I've never once seen a dangerous dog on wimbledon common or any big park it's always around local greens and such places I wonder why ? probably
because those dangerous dog owner types are lazy owners really the dog is more a status symbol or about looking hard.
I've never once seen a dangerous dog on wimbledon common or any big park it's always around local greens and such places I wonder why ? probably
because those dangerous dog owner types are lazy owners really the dog is more a status symbol or about looking hard.
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The police will not go far with a dog-on-dog incident as it is a "civil matter" (had an incident with a dog fight a while ago). The Dangerous Dogs Act is only if a human is hurt.
Yes, you can argue that a dog should only be let off if it has good recall, but how do you know if your dog has good recall until you let it off?! Also, how can you improve on recall if you keep it on a lead the whole time? Dogs need to be put in situations where there is another dog comming so they can learn to come back when called.
I am currently working on one of my dog's recall to the whistle. I start in the house with no distractions, then in the house with distractions, then in the garden etc and build up to doing it outside on walks. This dog has an excellent recall when out and no distractions, however today on his walk he legged it over to another dog - whilst ignoring the whistle. How do I stop this? Take him out around other dogs and practice!
If any of my dogs get bitten after running off to say 'hi' then I take the attitude of "well you deserved it and maybe you'll not run off again".
The other owner should have the dog muzzled if it is known to be dog-aggressive. However, as with recall, how does an owner know if their dog is dog-aggressive (or human-aggressive for that matter) until it displays such behaviour? This may have been the first time said dog reacted.
Dogs other than toy breeds SHOULD NOT BE ON FLEXI-LEADS (extender ones). They do can so easilly come unclipped near a road etc with the slightest pull from the dog.
I'm sorry about what happened. I don't think it's anyones fault really. You can't blame a dog for wanting to make a friend! Likewise you can't blame the owner if he didn't know his dog was aggressive. Like I said - the police won't do anything.
Yes, you can argue that a dog should only be let off if it has good recall, but how do you know if your dog has good recall until you let it off?! Also, how can you improve on recall if you keep it on a lead the whole time? Dogs need to be put in situations where there is another dog comming so they can learn to come back when called.
I am currently working on one of my dog's recall to the whistle. I start in the house with no distractions, then in the house with distractions, then in the garden etc and build up to doing it outside on walks. This dog has an excellent recall when out and no distractions, however today on his walk he legged it over to another dog - whilst ignoring the whistle. How do I stop this? Take him out around other dogs and practice!
If any of my dogs get bitten after running off to say 'hi' then I take the attitude of "well you deserved it and maybe you'll not run off again".
The other owner should have the dog muzzled if it is known to be dog-aggressive. However, as with recall, how does an owner know if their dog is dog-aggressive (or human-aggressive for that matter) until it displays such behaviour? This may have been the first time said dog reacted.
Dogs other than toy breeds SHOULD NOT BE ON FLEXI-LEADS (extender ones). They do can so easilly come unclipped near a road etc with the slightest pull from the dog.
I'm sorry about what happened. I don't think it's anyones fault really. You can't blame a dog for wanting to make a friend! Likewise you can't blame the owner if he didn't know his dog was aggressive. Like I said - the police won't do anything.
Yes i have a Muzzle but what am i expected to do, Dis arm my dog whilst i walk him around pavements to be attacked by owners who have No control over there own dog. The Muzzle comes off if a dog looks aggresive & is not being controlled. Fairs fair after all like i say I do Everything to avoid other dogs & keep my dog on a tight lead.
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..I understand this - but what if your dog bites the other (leaded) dog so badly that it needs treatment? Whatever your attitude is to your dog, doesn't protect the other dog does it?
I'd also be interested to hear what you'd do if your dog was severely bitten by another, requiring treatment itself. Would your attitude change then and the other dog be at fault?
I'm sorry but this is nonsense. I volunteer at a registered rescue and we use extender leads if the dog walks well (doesn't pull etc - and if so, you use a harness) and the dogs weight is taken into account when choosing the type of flexi lead you have. You shouldn't allow them to have the extension when near a road (common sense) because they can run into the road and you can't stop them. If you use a well made and well chosen flexi-lead then they are no more likely to become unclipped than any other lead. We have never had any incidents involving our rescues on flexi leads (used daily on many different dogs), so I can only assume that it comes down to bad ownership again.
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No Not Tosh. My sister was savaged by a bull terrier when she was a baby crawling across the floor. The bull terrier had been brought up in a loving family.
My mothers Yorkshire terrier which was 14 years old and without teeth was killed by an english Bull terrier that pulled a table across the cafe to get to her. That dog was being used in the London stage show of Oliver, hardly being brought up to fight.
Both the animals showed a natural aggression. Take it from me my sister still has scars to prove it.
I must admit I don't like the idea of a powerful dog on an extender lead. We had one for Rocky but it confused him as to what his boundaries were and made him worse on walks so we ditched it. I'm pretty sure he'd snap it now, he's too strong for it (though this doesn't mean all extender leads would snap).
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I'm not arguing that Gilly - if you think your dog would snap it or you're not comfortable with putting him on it, then obviously you don't use one - my point is that it's a decision that a responsible owner or guardian should be able to make. But to say that only toy breeds can use them is just rubbish. I wouldn't walk a bigger dog, like a rotty or an alsation on an extender (unless it was an older dog) because I'd want more control over them being not very tall myself. However I would assess the dog before making my choice.
Yeah those extender leads are useless my parents cocker is a strong dog and snaps them all the time (even the ones designed for big strong dogs), I keep giving my dad short leads but he won’t use them 
Plus when I have walked him on a short lead he is much better behaved but perhaps that’s just my influence.
Plus when I have walked him on a short lead he is much better behaved but perhaps that’s just my influence.
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Yeah those extender leads are useless my parents cocker is a strong dog and snaps them all the time (even the ones designed for big strong dogs), I keep giving my dad short leads but he won’t use them
as I've said - used daily on dogs of all shapes and sizes no problems. Maybe he's not using them correctly and is allowing the dog to run off at speed while attached to it. That's not what they are designed for - is dangerous for the dog, and he maybe needs to control his dog better, because that's what it comes down to in the end.
Edit: What you just added about him being better behaved for you proves my point. If you can control your dog well and correctly then it doesn't matter what kind of lead you've got really. If you aren't 100% sure you can, then you don't take the risk. Your dad should be training him on the short leash and then moving up to the extender if he's insistent on using it. Otherwise he'll have boundary issues like Gilly did with Rocky.
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I have my ridgeback mastiff Bill on an extender with a harness the lead is rated for an 80kg dog and is plenty strong enough (theres a pet shop in the market at Cleckheaton and they are<£20) he does lose it now and again with some dogs (in retaliation ect) but you can just grab the harness