Dog attack

[Anksy]

I know pit bulls are on the dangerous dogs act BUT as far as i know its only the Amstaffs/Pitbulls/Irish staffs which are Illegal to own in the UK. i didn't think the "English" pit bull was, which is what i was talking about.

who the heck said the English bull dog was on the dangerous dogs act ??? because its not, don't think ive heard of a nasty English bull tbh. and no dog on the dangerous dog act is illegal as long as its registered....the only dog that i know is completely illegal is the so called devil dog, which as far as im aware is cross breeding a Doberman with a pit bull, Also known devil dogs were cross breed rottweiler and pit bulls.

i will say again the breeds that are illegal are

Pit Bull Terrier
Japanese Tosa
Dogo Argentino
Fila Brasileiro

EVEN cross breeds with any of them, now need to be registered.

 

[Andrew1978]

who the heck said the English bull dog was on the dangerous dogs act ??? because its not, don't think ive heard of a nasty English bull tbh. and no dog on the dangerous dog act is illegal as long as its registered....the only dog that i know is completely illegal is the so called devil dog, which as far as im aware is cross breeding a Doberman with a pit bull, Also known devil dogs were cross breed rottweiler and pit bulls.

i will say again the breeds that are illegal are

Pit Bull Terrier
Japanese Tosa
Dogo Argentino
Fila Brasileiro

EVEN cross breeds with any of them, now need to be registered.

no one did and if you bothered to read my post properly you will see where i explained how i got confused after reading the people talking about bull terriers/"english pit bull terriers". but suffice to say i severely doubt his mum saw a "pit bull" and more than likely it was a staff/bull terrier.

and of course they're illegal, you can't breed them or import them and the only people who own them had them already when the law was introduced.

i bet they got the term "devil dog" from some hyped up newspaper story about people trying to get around the ban on pitbulls and not because they're some form of super fighting dog.

 

[Andrew1978]

whoops double post

 

[Andrew1978]

and no dog on the dangerous dog act is illegal as long as its registered.

I just want to point something out, if in order to own a pitbull (or any dog on the list) it has to be registered, how do you get one in the first place? considering, its illegal to breed them, sell them, buy them or exchange them. they're not legal just if you happened to own one at the time it was legal to keep it, so long as you followed the conditions to muzzle,neuter,chip etc.

 

[ScottehBotteh]

This is terrible, I really hope you do go to the police. That other dog is a menace, it could have been a small child. The owner probably gets off on the fact it's a dangerous dog. Why wasn't it wearing a muzzle?

What a load of rubbish.

The other dog was on a lead and defending itself by the sounds of it. If Gilly's dog hadnt of been out of control the incident would not have happened.

The guy probably should have stepped in sooner ( whos to say he didnt, we only have one version of events )

The guy has just as much right, if not more to report the ' victim ' to the police, though such a thing would be rather pathetic.

 

[JackCarver]

Sorry to hear matey - i would have reported the dog tbh to dangerous dogs act - which covers any dog out of control in a public place (id report it purley because what if a kid had gone up to the dog???) the only issue is your dog was also out of control - although i bet he was only playing/trying to say hello...

I'm not having a dig at all, i now how hard it is with a young dog i have a 9 month old dog, but you really need to get him to listen for his own safty as much as anything else... I have taken mine to training class since he was 10 weeks... 98% of the time he listens its safer for him & a lot more relaxing knowing your in charge.

Lucky you wernt there like you said i know how you feel i would jump in as well without regard for my arms!

 

[Third Opinion]

If people know their dogs have a tendency to bit they should be muzzled end of.

IMO all dogs breed for baiting or fighting should be kept on a lead with a muzzle.

 

[KaHn]

Gilly's dog possibly should have been on a lead, but that doesn't discount the fact that a large (by the sounds of it) dog with potential issues regarding it's behaviour with other dogs (and by extension) possibly humans wasn't muzzled, and the owner even with a lead lacked control of it.
A lead isn't the be all and end all of proper control of an animal, especially where it's a large animal and the owner (by the sounds of it) wasn't paying attention or willing to actually attempt control of the animal.
A lead won't even allow a lot of people to (easily) pull back many breeds of dog (and if Gillys' dog was on a lead and the other dog attacked it, there is no guarantee that the other dog wouldn't keep going after his dog/mum).

Our dog is a (fairly thick) toy poodle, and yes he's always on a lead (mainly for his protection), but we also put a muzzle on him at times if we think there is any chance he might try and bite, which means he gets it put on outside the vets (I would trust him with most children, but he gets freaked out going into the vets).

Sorry thats all if's and but's, If Gillys dog was on a lead it wouldn't of run over to the bigger dog, a lead is only so long, granted it sounds like the other dog needed a muzzle, but how do we know if the dog was just agressive towards other dogs, when I took my german shepard out on the lead we always used to get little yappy dogs with no leads and no muzzle running at him for fun, but my dog wasn't playful with other dogs and for that reason he was always kept on a lead around other dogs.

But even if my dog had of been off the lead and another dog ran it him I could shout of him to return as he was well trained, Gillys dog from his side of the story is young and should have been kept on the lead at all times, what happens if it wasnt a dog he wanted to go and play with but a truck? We might of had a "Some stupid person ran over my dog" thread.

Dogs are animals and should be treat as such.

KaHn

 

[JackCarver]

If people know their dogs have a tendency to bit they should be muzzled end of.

IMO all dogs breed for baiting or fighting should be kept on a lead with a muzzle.

How do you know the dog was bread for fighting? I hope your not going down the all rotts/GSD/bull dogs etc are only used/good for fighting

This issue occured by handler error on both parts nowt to do with breed.

 

[wannabedamned]

What a load of rubbish.

The other dog was on a lead and defending itself by the sounds of it. If Gilly's dog hadnt of been out of control the incident would not have happened.

The guy probably should have stepped in sooner ( whos to say he didnt, we only have one version of events )

The guy has just as much right, if not more to report the ' victim ' to the police, though such a thing would be rather pathetic.

Defending itself? Gilly's dog sniffed the other dog, Which everyone knows, Isn't an action which should result in a dog being attacked. It's a way of saying Hello

If my dog, attacked another Dog, I'd instantly pull it away, it's not difficult to comprehend, IMO, The owner and Dog should be reported, Even though his Dog was on the lead, He did nothing but shout at Gilly's mum. How is that right? He should have took control of his own dog, considering it was the one doign the attacking and on a lead, You think Gilly's mum should have gone in and tried to get her dog? and No doubt get bitten in the process?

 

[singist]

As this has strayed a little already, I don't fel quite so bad posting this.

The Dangerous dog act of 1991 says this:

"Dogs bred for fighting.
(1) This section applies to—
(a) any dog of the type known as the pit bull terrier;
(b) any dog of the type known as the Japanese tosa; and
(c) any dog of any type designated for the purposes of this section by an order of the Secretary of State, being a type appearing to him to be bred for fighting or to have the characteristics of a type bred for that purpose."

You will notice the word type and the phrase "have the characteristics", which means crossbreads as well as so called pure bred dogs.

People should also be aware that most of the dogs mentioned are not known for their longevity and therefore absolutely none of these dogs should be around 17 years after the act became law.

I'm not taking sides, just passing on the quote from the act as some people seem to have difficulty with facts.

 

[ScottehBotteh]

How do you know it was only sniffing ?

And I did say the guy should have stepped in if he didnt ( which we dont know as fact. ) but im sure he would have, I dont know anyone that wouldnt.
Theres not much else he can do apart from restrain it via the lead which he was doing..he then asked for her to do the same..no ?
Gilly has already said his dog can be a pest and not leave other dogs alone, so dont assume the other dog was the aggressor.

People can say what they like, the situation would not have occured had both dogs been on leads.

 

[Gilly]

Cos I said he was only sniffing. He didn't even get in close, but because the other dog was on such a long lead it could get to him.

Of course, you're right when you say the situation wouldn't have happened had both dogs been on their leads. It wouldn't have happened if one of the dogs had been at home either, so I don't see the relevance. You can't keep dogs on leads at all times. It was in a large park that had been completely empty seconds earlier.

There's many a time someone has said to me that X dog (breed, particular dog, whatever) is absolutely fine around humans. Wouldn't hurt one in the slightest. Just hates other dogs and snaps at them whenever they come close.

It shouldn't be like that. Whether it is humans or other dogs they're a danger to they should be muzzled.

Dogs should be trained to behave acceptably around other dogs. That is why Rocky goes to training, to get him used to following commands and get him used to being around other dogs. He's a very friendly dog but he does get bouncy and playful around others. It is a trait that is being sorted but it takes time. Do you expect me to keep a large, energetic and youthful dog on a short lead at all times just in case an aggressor showed up like last night?

My dog wouldn't hurt another dog (unless he just bowled into him when playing or something, certainly not on purpose like has happened to him) and that is down to me to make sure is the case. Just like it is for every other dog owner.

 

[Third Opinion]

How do you know the dog was bread for fighting? I hope your not going down the all rotts/GSD/bull dogs etc are only used/good for fighting

This issue occured by handler error on both parts nowt to do with breed.

Because dog breeds maintain instincts regardless how they are trained. A retriever will naturaly be good at retrieving etc.

Breeds that were used for fighting/baiting were chosen because they show a natural aggression which has been improved upon by years of selective breeding. You cannot just switch off a dogs instincts.

 

[wordy]

If your dog wasn't answering the recall then it was out of control and the law states that dogs should be under control in a public place at all times. It could have done anything it wanted and your mum wouldn't have been able to do antything about it, so it really should've been on a lead. As you know we also have a young dog that loves to run around and is full of energy, and like yours his recall skill ins't his strongest suit. So we don't let him off lead anywhere in public, but an enclosed fenced area.

Are there any parks near you thart have tennis courts or other fenced areas that you can let Rocky haver a run around and burn some energy off?

 

[doofer]

...You can't keep dogs on leads at all times. It was in a large park that had been completely empty seconds earlier.

...Do you expect me to keep a large, energetic and youthful dog on a short lead at all times just in case an aggressor showed up like last night?

It's about being IN CONTROL of your dog either by leash or command.

It's your dog. You are responsible for it. You let it out with someone who had no control over it.

Stop blaming the other dog/owner and face up to the fact that you are ultimately responsible.

'My dog wouldn't hurt another dog '- Of course it would. It's a male dog. If you honestly believe this you are a fool.

 

[Gavin]

Im a dog owner and although i sympathise with the situation this is correct. Your dog was off the lead and his wasnt.

I do suspect he was shouting at your mum to get her dog off so as to remove any blame from himself should it been investigated and witnesses called.. "yes i saw the dog on the lead being attacked by the one off the lead and the woman was doing nothing after being shouted at to stop her dog attacking" etc etc.

He is a bad owner by the sound of it but then again your mum having your dog off the lead around other dogs isnt the best. Unless of course she had the same control over your dog that you have?

Agreed, but i would still report it, in case next time its a young child that wanders over..

Its sort of a similiar situation to my sisters.

Shes got 2 alsations and they were off the lead in a park early in the morning when they came across a bloke walking a staff on a lead. She called them back but like most dogs they didnt respong(its always the owner that thinks there dog is innocent.)

They went over for a sniff and the staff didnt like it and lashed out, my sisters partner managed to get his foot on the staffs head. and held him down not before he took a nice few chunks out of my sisters dogs. Why the staff owner didnt deck him i dont know as he was just innocently walking his dog correctly.


completey and utterly my sisters fault.

Sorry to say buts it completely her fault for not having the dog on the lead. You never know when a dog is going to attack. Also backed up by the way he didnt respond to her orders. It could have been a young child he could have been harrassing?

Public place = on lead. garden = off lead = responsible dog owner

hope your dog is ok and mum not to shaken

 

[JackCarver]

Because dog breeds maintain instincts regardless how they are trained. A retriever will naturaly be good at retrieving etc.

Breeds that were used for fighting/baiting were chosen because they show a natural aggression which has been improved upon by years of selective breeding. You cannot just switch off a dogs instincts.

Absoulte tosh - i own one of the dogs that a person like you would say is a agressive dog or guard dog etc... He is 9 months old 45KG and lives with 2 kittens, me my wife & is fine with kids in the street who all pet him. Visitors to my house nephews/Niecies etc are also able to play with him (Supervised as any dog should always be with kids) as i mentioned earlier he has been trained since he was 10 weeks untill now. He gets on with all other dogs including one at class that is about as big in total as my dogs head. My dog lets him jump on his back and all sorts.

The kittens he lives with are able to take food off him without any retaliation. The first week we had him he stole a chicken wing. My wife went to take it & in all honesty he growled at her i took the bone off him showed him that this behavour is not tollertaed. Since then anybody can take food from him. Its how the Owner moulds the dog. Obiously certain dogs are capable of more damage as in a bite from a Rott would be more dammaging than a bite from a jack Russell but again f from a young age the dog is taught that any teeth on any part of a human is not accepted then they want do it.

Why cant some peolpe see its not a breed specific issue its irresponsible owners!

 

[Gilly]

If your dog wasn't answering the recall then it was out of control and the law states that dogs should be under control in a public place at all times. It could have done anything it wanted and your mum wouldn't have been able to do antything about it, so it really should've been on a lead. As you know we also have a young dog that loves to run around and is full of energy, and like yours his recall skill ins't his strongest suit. So we don't let him off lead anywhere in public, but an enclosed fenced area.

Are there any parks near you thart have tennis courts or other fenced areas that you can let Rocky haver a run around and burn some energy off?

Yeah I often take him to the basketball area in the park. Got metal fences and stuff, its a great weight off my mind when I can just play with him and not have to be aware of everything 250 yards away in every single direction

It's about being IN CONTROL of your dog either by leash or command.

It's your dog. You are responsible for it. You let it out with someone who had no control over it.

Stop blaming the other dog/owner and face up to the fact that you are ultimately responsible.

'My dog wouldn't hurt another dog '- Of course it would. It's a male dog. If you honestly believe this you are a fool.

Let me ask you a question. How do you get a dog to be OK off the lead without letting him off the lead? His recall is fine when there are no distractions. Without distractions and working on the recall at that point there is no way to get him to get it right.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything, except that a dangerous dog should be muzzled. I didn't think that was a difficult concept to grasp.

Don't ever call me a fool again.

 

[Gilly]

Why cant some peolpe see its not a breed specific issue its irresponsible owners!

You can't completely disregard the breed. There are breeds with a propensity to attack, there are breeds without. Regardless of how the dogs are trained there's always more risk of the former attacking than the latter. Be that a human, another dog, whatever.

Good training can minimise that risk, along with responsible ownership. It is only minimising it though, not cutting it out entirely.