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I think for gaming res at 1920x1200 the vast majority of use should have (except crysis) at the end of the res. :p Thats the one game that always needs the res lowered =/
 
TiZoR said:
Still I think that the Dual cards are still very CPU limited indeed, IMO once your cpu is clocked will see a lot better resaults and better scaling.
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I get the same feeling & drivers need loads more work as there is noway it should be slower than single card perfomance in anything.
 
Richdog said:
Mate if that's the best response you can come up with to a well-structured argument, no matter whether you agree or not, then you're just trolling, plain and simple. Kids stuff.
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But it wasn’t well structured; it was all over the place and much of it had no relevance to the article or my reply. I have no interest arguing with every fanboy which goes off on a tangent every time they feel the need to be defensive.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
so an NDA card came along from ATi obviously as Nvidia love to hand their cards out over there, so this ATi guy sent the wrong drivers over :p

We all knew it wasn't going to be great, so what.

AS to if they "had" to rehash old tech, yes they did. You guys are missing the "business" aspect here. The 8800gtx might have been the fastest single core, but it doesn't matter. ATi are making massively cheaper cores, put them together and in all likelyhood making a much higher profit on the X2 than Nvidia was on their "faster" 8800gtx. In terms of money, and this is something very few people seem to notice, ATI has wiped the floor with Nvidia.

The mid/low end 8000 series came out at the SAME time as ATi's mid/low range, except ATi's had better features and were cheaper. The 2900xt was always supposed to be a 65nm part, 65nm sucks hard at the fabs where they are making them.

Nvidia DID have to rehash their stuff as they simply couldn't compete on pricing vs ATi. Ati were making a lot more cores per waifer, on the whole range, and Nvidia were losing money its as simple as that. Without a "new" 8800 or the 9800 they'd be screwed. Without the 8800gt/new gts them simply wouldn't have sold more than 10 cards total since the 3870 release which would have been half the price for similar performance.

ATi have done magnificently, they've dragged computing back to value, Ok the quads are iffy , untill later this month, but then you've got £120 quad cores, looking set to be sub £100 quads easily by the end of the year. Midrange price now gets you the high end part in graphics cards, they've taken £200 of the price of the ultra high end part, as opposed to nvidia who were happy to add £50 to the top end part every single generation.

Yes we "might" have a faster part, though its unlikely, from nvidia had it not been, but that next 9800 "real next gen" ultra would have been £500.

Once sales on the 9800gx2 are known to be utter crap they will drop to £280-320 range to compete with ati which hopefully nvidia will be held to for the next few generations to come aswell.

AS for Vista drivers, especially 64bit, nvidia still haven't got total stability in 64bit, let alone a fast driver set. I thought the whole idea was we can either get fast drivers, or stable. From day one of the 2900xt launch there have been stable 64bit vista drivers from ATi on a monthly release. Yes they do tend to do a hotfix here or there, but every nvidia driver release, like the crysis one, seems to entail 10 separate beta/final sets over the space of 2 weeks. I love that Crysis, a TWIMTBP game, took a SINGLE ATi driver to work perfectly for me.

This is why i have a not altogether perfect phenom, against my Q6600 it performs IDENTICALLY in GAMES< although benchmarks it sucks. Maybe if you really won't ever see the difference you should throw your support to the guys who fight really hard to bring you better value, service and support.
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Well put!
The value for money for CPU`s & GPU`s has never been better thanks to Intel with the C2D=fight with AMD & AMD with the 3800 line up=Fight with Nvidia.
 
this is why pre-release reviews are real annoying.

people keep posting 9000 reviews all the time and its either crap, or blame drivers... how about you wait, or keep it to 1 thread?...

edit: drunkenmaster, quality post i think your spot on
 
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ebilcake said:
But it wasn’t well structured; it was all over the place and much of it had no relevance to the article or my reply. I have no interest arguing with every fanboy which goes off on a tangent every time they feel the need to be defensive.
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What's it called when people accuse others of something they're doing themselves? Projecting I think?
 
kylew said:
What's it called when people accuse others of something they're doing themselves? Projecting I think?
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What are you talking about? I havent even given an opinion on 9800GX2, my issue was with tweaktowns article which is what this thread is ment to be about.
 
ebilcake said:
What are you talking about? I havent even given an opinion on 9800GX2, my issue was with tweaktowns article which is what this thread is ment to be about.
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You're calling people fanboys and what not, when it seems that you're being the fanboy yourself. Rubbishing people's opinions and well constructed arguments in a childish way because you haven't got anything intelligent to come back with, then calling other people fanboys. There's no other reason you'd have said that unless you're trolling and being a fanboy, and it looks like a few other people got that impression too.
 
Everyone just relax and wait till next week when the card has officially been launched. We can the draw our conclusions from there and put an end to pointless bickering.
 
kylew said:
You're calling people fanboys and what not, when it seems that you're being the fanboy yourself. Rubbishing people's opinions and well constructed arguments in a childish way because you haven't got anything intelligent to come back with, then calling other people fanboys. There's no other reason you'd have said that unless you're trolling and being a fanboy.
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What exactly are you accusing me of a being a fanboy of? I personally don't even like cards that depend on SLI or Crossfire and wouldn't touch either the GX2 or X2 with a 50ft pole, the 9000 series as a whole is a bit of a joke and I’m waiting for either ATI's 4000 series or the GT200, not that my preference has anything to do with the threads topic, nor should it matter.

Only the first line of drunkenmasters reply was relevant to my reply, he made no other reference to the article and simply went off on a tangent, at least my posts were on topic.
 
ebilcake said:
What exactly are you accusing me of a being a fanboy of? I personally don't even like cards that depend on SLI or Crossfire and wouldn't touch either the GX2 or X2 with a 50ft pole, the 9000 series as a whole is a bit of a joke and I’m waiting for either ATI's 4000 series or the GT200, not that my preference has anything to do with the threads topic, nor should it matter.

Only the first line of drunkenmasters reply was relevant to my reply, he made no other reference to the article and simply went off on a tangent, at least my posts were on topic.
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It was just uncalled for to bash his post like that. You don't need to be 100% on topic when talking about things, people going on tangents isn't the end of the world. Staying 100% on topic isn't really how speech/communication works, it's not like he went off on one talking about the moon. Most people thought his post was well structured and a valid point. Maybe you aren't a fanboy, but you're not making it easy for someone to think anything else.
 
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lay-z-boy said:
Projecting? :D:p

It's called being a hypocrite.
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That too :D

Came across this on wikipedia ;)

"the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds wholly unacceptable—too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous—by attributing them to another."

Some people might find it obscene to see ATi in a good light! :eek::D
 
kylew said:
It was just uncalled for to bash his post like that. You don't need to be 100% on topic when talking about things, people going on tangents isn't the end of the world. Staying 100% on topic isn't really how speech/communication works, it's not like he went off on one talking about the moon. Most people thought his post was well structured and a valid point. Maybe you aren't a fanboy, but you're not making it easy for someone to think anything else.
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Well it seemed pretty obvious to me he wanted to take the thread in direction other then the topic, along the lines of ATI vs NVIDIA so I think it was called for actually.
 
You can tell your in a graphics card thread about a new card because soon or later people start going on about who is right haha :D I think we should have a Fanboy smily, red for ATI and green for Nvidia.

I think there is more chance of peace in the middle east than the Graphics card sections sometimes but because of this it makes a interesting read. :p
 
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