Question about the 50 cal

[Shotgun_ned]

Just out of curiousity, some of you may have seen the movie "Shooter" in which the main character (played by Mark Wahlberg) fires what looks like a M40 from a hill top miles away and headshoots someone on a moving jeep. He has a guy spotting for him and they show some random calculations on a notepad.

I know it's hollywood, but is something like possible in real life?

I suppose it could technically be, but I very much doubt anyone could pull it off, especially on their first shot. There are far too many variables to take into account, and they only get greater as the distance to target increases, and especially if the target is moving.

 

[Clapp]

Is it just me that in the picture the op posted, the two guys in the background looked really jealous.

 

[Tefal]

Is it just me that in the picture the op posted, the two guys in the background looked really jealous.

the two guys with the really small one?

 

[Kristoph]

the two guys with the really small one?

Haha just noticed that. Bet they're pretty jealous.

 

[Aod]

the two guys with the really small one?

that "really small one" is an FN MAG, aka the GPMG (called the gimpy by the troops) which is a fully automatic heavy machine gun firing 7.62x51NATOs

they're probably feeling very very lucky, as the MAG is a much more... servicable weapon, with less recoil, less ear-splitting noise and less maintainence.
oh yeah, and MUCH lighter ammunition.

 

[badbob]

And lighter

 

[Aod]

Just out of curiousity, some of you may have seen the movie "Shooter" in which the main character (played by Mark Wahlberg) fires what looks like a M40 from a hill top miles away and headshoots someone on a moving jeep. He has a guy spotting for him and they show some random calculations on a notepad.

I know it's hollywood, but is something like possible in real life?

its possible, with an extremely highly trained sniper to do that, once or twice. but it wouldn't be a headshot-o-matic situation like the one depicted in the film.

certainly, USMC snipers are trained to be able to estimate velocity of targets, distance to target as well as almost all other factors and compensate accordingly, but in such a heated situation, the sniper would not have been able to be that accurate.

 

[Tefal]

that "really small one" is an FN MAG, aka the GMPG (called the gimpy by the troops) which is a fully automatic heavy machine gun firing 7.62x51NATOs

they're probably feeling very very lucky, as the MAG is a much more... servicable weapon, with less recoil, less ear-splitting noise and less maintainence.
oh yeah, and MUCH lighter ammunition.

true but tbh id rather be firing the .50 from the back of a moving humve

 

[Dist]

Are the other .50 rifles able to shoot AP-incendiary like the Accuracy International AS50? I saw that weapon get fired on future weapons, and its quite impressive, able to keep great accuracy even when firing rapidly (its semi-automatic), as well as able to disable light armored vehicles (APCs, IFVs etc..).

 

[FrostedNipple]

l96 4tw

best sniper in the world ... FACT

 

[Tefal]

Accuracy international make the AWP don't they?

 

[Aod]

Accuracy international make the AWP don't they?

yes, but the "AWP" in CS:S is actually an AWM...

l96 4tw

best sniper in the world ... FACT

best sniper what? a "sniper" is a person who shoots from concealment.
maybe you're thinking of sniper rifle instead?

anyway even then, thats wrong, from a number of perspectives. firstly, there are shorter rifles. secondly, there are cheaper rifles. Thirdly there are more accurate rifles and lastly there are more accurate, less expensive and more powerfull rifles.

Are the other .50 rifles able to shoot AP-incendiary like the Accuracy International AS50? I saw that weapon get fired on future weapons, and its quite impressive, able to keep great accuracy even when firing rapidly (its semi-automatic), as well as able to disable light armored vehicles (APCs, IFVs etc..).

err, i don't see any technical limitations preventing just about any .50 BMG chambered firearm from firing AP incendiary rounds.

true but tbh id rather be firing the .50 from the back of a moving humve

i most definitely agree, since the humvee will be carrying all the ammo, shouldering all the recoil and protecting me from bullets. heck, if we were in a real fix i could point it straight backwards to speed up the vehicle

 

[FrostedNipple]

best sniper what? a "sniper" is a person who shoots from concealment.
maybe you're thinking of sniper rifle instead?

anyway even then, thats wrong, from a number of perspectives. firstly, there are shorter rifles. secondly, there are cheaper rifles. Thirdly there are more accurate rifles and lastly there are more accurate, less expensive and more powerfull rifles.

Stop acting like you know it all! When i say a rifle name and call it a sniper, you know for well i mean sniper rifle Every marine I've ever spoken to has talked about the l96 like it is god!

 

[dowie]

https://flic.kr/p/3Ph4vW

If you stuck a decent scope on this thing, would you not just have an automatic sniper rifle? I mean the barrel is pretty long, or is it quick a bit less accurate than say a Barret?

it doesn't work like that!

you're comparing a weapon designed for accurate single shots with an area weapon

machine guns have what's called a 'beaten zone' which increases with range - basically it is the area where the rounds will fall - they are designed for firing in bursts - i.e. the GPMG in the SF role would be fired in 20 round bursts - the rounds will all land in different places within the beaten zone.

Basically if you stuck a sniper rifle in an immovable vice and fired at a target then both rounds should land in the same place - do the same with a machine gun and all you can really say is that the rounds would land within the beaten zone

 

[Dist]

Stop acting like you know it all! When i say a rifle name and call it a sniper, you know for well i mean sniper rifle Every marine I've ever spoken to has talked about the l96 like it is god!

possibly because the marines (assuming you mean the royal marines, not the US marines) like the rest of the armed forces cant afford a wide range of weapons, so the l96 is proberly all the snipers ever get their hands on to try, where as the US armed forces get a wide range of weapons for the snipers that they can pick and choose right for the job.

err, i don't see any technical limitations preventing just about any .50 BMG chambered firearm from firing AP incendiary rounds.

the AP-incendiary rounds have a different shape compared to the normal .50 rounds, so i thought that not all mags would be compatible to hold them and correctly chamber them, even if they do fire through the same size barrel.

And thankyou for mentioning about CS, one of the reasons i dont play the game is all the idiots calling it a AWP when its not, although its the devs fault realy. Also i hate the way they use the weapons in CS, right handed weapons ejecting brass to the left, through the field of vision, or the m4 being cocked using the forward assist instead of the charging handle, or the bolt action sniper rifles, being used in the right hand but cocked using the left, no1 would ever do that as it would be difficult to hold the weapon like that.

 

[Aod]

Stop acting like you know it all! When i say a rifle name and call it a sniper, you know for well i mean sniper rifle Every marine I've ever spoken to has talked about the l96 like it is god!

know it all? no. but calling a rifle a sniper makes you sound like a hyper, immature 12 year old.

similarly, while i don't have any actual experience (yes, i admit!) with these rifles, comparing their specifications seems to be a fairly good indicator.

And thankyou for mentioning about CS, one of the reasons i dont play the game is all the idiots calling it a AWP when its not, although its the devs fault realy. Also i hate the way they use the weapons in CS, right handed weapons ejecting brass to the left, through the field of vision, or the m4 being cocked using the forward assist instead of the charging handle, or the bolt action sniper rifles, being used in the right hand but cocked using the left, no1 would ever do that as it would be difficult to hold the weapon like that.

Ah, finally someone else who understands!

it doesn't work like that!

you're comparing a weapon designed for accurate single shots with an area weapon

machine guns have what's called a 'beaten zone' which increases with range - basically it is the area where the rounds will fall - they are designed for firing in bursts - i.e. the GPMG in the SF role would be fired in 20 round bursts - the rounds will all land in different places within the beaten zone.

Basically if you stuck a sniper rifle in an immovable vice and fired at a target then both rounds should land in the same place - do the same with a machine gun and all you can really say is that the rounds would land within the beaten zone

Ah, thankyou!

 

[Tefal]

yes, but the "AWP" in CS:S is actually an AWM...

Shouldn't that be AW if you want to be precise?

As for cs, is the only difference between the police, and standard/AW version the lack of muzzle break/front sight?

 

[Zip]

The shot mentioned above where a Canadian Sniper shot an insurgent at 2400 yards took 3 attempts. He didnt LOLPWN AWP!¬!!£ in one shot, although the second shot did hit the guy

So the third shot was just for ****s and giggles then?

 

[Dist]

Shouldn't that be AW if you want to be precise?

As for cs, is the only difference between the police, and standard/AW version the lack of muzzle break/front sight?

No, it should be AWM because it fires a magnum round, hence the name Arctic Warfare Magnum.

As for the police and the CS version, the AWP is black, not olive, and has a shorter barrel then then the other AW rifles.

 

[Aod]

Shouldn't that be AW if you want to be precise?

As for cs, is the only difference between the police, and standard/AW version the lack of muzzle break/front sight?

err, no.

the AI AWP (aka L96)(aka AI AW) is a 7.62x51mm rifle
the AI AWM fires the .338 Lapua Magnum Cartidge

obviously, all of these rifles are available in alternate calibres, but these two are the most popular by far.

the differing muzzle breaks/flash hiders and front sites are really down to customer order.