Calzaghe vs Hopkins !!

poor boring fight all round - glad i didn't stay up for it.

Well done to Joe for winning but Hopkins was so boring and apart from the first few rounds managed a few crisp punches that was about it. Should have go an oscar for the "low" blow.

Wild scoring as usual but cause the judging is based on human viewpoint then you will always get some mad stuff.
 
I went down to the cosino to watch this. Quite drunk and half asleep. I was bored out of my head watching Hopkins hug and waste time all night. God knows how he thought he won that fight. He had a good knock down and thats about it.
 
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wedgie said:
What's your point?
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I can't quite decide whether it is to note that Hopkins didn't do anything unusual in the fight i.e. fought his normal way and that put Calzaghe off a bit because he is normally the one dictating the pace or if it is basically to agree with you. Styles make fights as they say and this one had "cagey" written all over it.
 
wedgie said:
What's your point?
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the point being its being made out that Hopkins boxed like this cause joe was better and/or restricted hopkins to bocing this way.

BUT this is how he always fights so why people here claim this proved he wasnt up to Joes level just shows ignorance and lack of understanding about his boxing style his entire career
 
jdderbys said:
the point being its being made out that Hopkins boxed like this cause joe was better and/or restricted hopkins to bocing this way.

BUT this is how he always fights so why people here claim this proved he wasnt up to Joes level just shows ignorance and lack of understanding about his boxing style his entire career
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That's not really what I was getting at. The fact is the style of fight was exactly as Hopkins intended it to be (as you would expect given one boxer who is very good at a defensive style) and Calzaghe was always fighting within the confines of the fight Hopkins wanted it to be.

Even so, Hopkins never felt comfortable enough to move even slightly from his comfort zone. If at any point in the fight he truly felt superior to Calzaghe, the natural response would have been for Hopkins to impose himself more in an attacking sense.

That's all I am saying when I talk about it being a credit to Calzaghe, it's not a result of any conscious decision he made during the fight, just a reflection of Hopkins' awareness of his overall quality as a boxer.
 
No counter puncher should ever go forward and take the fight to the other. The whole point in being a counter puncher and spoiler is not to stay in your comfort zone but to win.

I would hardly say facing a come forward aggresive fighter is ever being in your comfort zone.

From experience i can say the holding and wrestling as well as being hit takes much more out of your than going on the attack.

I would say the only one out of their comfort zone would have been joe the entire fight. First 4 rounds he was cautious and the rest he flurryed with slaps then stepped in for the clinch. He won on workrate alone. He boxed hopkins fight the entire fight and most rounds were close.

Watching the fight on mute would change so many oppinions on the bout.

I like Joe, iv met him once at a welsh aba finals. 3 of my clubmates box for wales and say hes a great guy (although the speak with enzo a lot more and one boxed enzos nephew last championship and was scheduled to face him again this year but he didnt make weight) but i still think it could have easily gone Hopkins's way and i was much more impressed with hopkins ability to dominate the pace and position of the fight.

Joes a great guy and talented but i dont rate him that much as a boxer. To me hes more of a spoiler of other peoples style. Only this time the role was reversed.
 
Everyone lets not forget Joe wasn't at his best last Saturday. Had he been at his best, he'd of easily won. Yes he is seems a little slappy at times, but the punches DO get in and they do hurt.. Ask Kessler or Lacy..

My biggest problem with JC is his consistency.. He has some EXCELLENT performances followed up by some just ok ones.. This Hopkins fight was probably just an OK JC performance..

I do sincerely hope that he's able to pull an excellent performance out the bag for when he fights Roy Jones Jnr.. I can tell you this, he looked piping hot against his recent bout against Trinidad. Actually Trinidad looked good too..

An ok performance against a good Jones and he could lose his undefeated title..

I think Jones will be his toughest opponent, the man ooozes skill. Don't let the Glen Johnson or Tarver loses tarnish his image, that was just a blip on an outstanding career record.

If JC can pull off a performance like he did with Lacy, then he could do it..
 
jdderbys said:
No counter puncher should ever go forward and take the fight to the other. The whole point in being a counter puncher and spoiler is not to stay in your comfort zone but to win.

I would hardly say facing a come forward aggresive fighter is ever being in your comfort zone.
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That's nonsense tbh. Just because someone is predominantly a counter puncher doesn't mean they can't turn into the aggressor if/when they feel it apprpriate within the fight. If counter punchers stuck to that gameplan literally at all times then you would expect far less of their wins to come by KO.

A quick look on Youtube and you will find videos of Hopkins doing anything but counter punch. Numerous clips where Hopkins is clearly the aggressor, for the simple reason that he knows he's far superior to his opponent and can therefore feel comfortable in forcing the fight more. Which brings me back to my original point; he never looked close to doing this against Calzaghe.

And I think you're misunderstood what I mean by comfort zone. It's meant as in when put to the test, you stick to what you know best.
jdderbys said:
The whole point in being a counter puncher and spoiler is not to stay in your comfort zone but to win.

I would hardly say facing a come forward aggresive fighter is ever being in your comfort zone.
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jdderbys said:
I would say the only one out of their comfort zone would have been joe the entire fight.
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:confused: :p
 
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