Soldato
Which is a tricky business.
I don't see how anything in the OP indicates anything remotely like Attempted Robbery, more like Deception, Fraud or Theft... Not know what exactly the store/police thought she was doing with the top.
Girlfriend held for suspected robbery
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I don't see how anything in the OP indicates anything remotely like Attempted Robbery, more like Deception, Fraud or Theft... Not know what exactly the store/police thought she was doing with the top.
Associate
I once saw a porn film that started the way this thread did...
Man of Honour
SOME Police are retards, last year when I bumped a grandma who suddenly decided to scoot across the road on her mobility scooter thing without looking as I was crossing a roundabout.
The first police office who took my report was decent, listened to what I said, understood the situation and explained everything nicely. Another office who arrived moments later came right up to me blaming me for apparently speeding, not slowing down, not driving with attention (!!!) and was basically acting like it was all my fault. I guess all he saw was young driver and shiny car, yeah all his fault...
The 2nd officer left a bit later leaving the first still there, the 1st was quite surprised and I explained that this guy just turned up didn't even read the report r listen to anything I attempted to say and pointed the finger! he understood and explained he'd have a word back at the station.
Anyway some weeks later their investigation report found no fault on my behalf and they'd not pursue it further.
So it just goes to show, some people let power get to their tiny heads and they only see what they want to see and end up ruining peoples days!
Soldato
A PCSO can arrest using the any person powers (citizens arrest), whilst this is a physical detention, the PCSO is not using their power of detention. A PCSO can arrest on suspicion, provided reasonable grounds.
The 30 minute thing is where the PCSO used their powers of detention, which are for offences you cannot arrest using the any person powers.
And the situation here is not a robbery, a robbery must have the use of violence or the threat of immediate violence. This is theft.
Soldato
I work with a guy who is a Special Constable and asked him about the authority that PCSO's (or Plastic Plods to give them their proper title) actually have to arrest and detain people.
Apparently they have NO authority to physically detain you and if they try to you can run off and all they can do is try to keep up....
They also have less powers/authority than specials.
Soldato
Any chance of a source? I'd like to read more. Basic law should really be taught at school. So many mundane things that I am not not sure if they are lawful or not.
Associate
I work with a guy who is a Special Constable and asked him about the authority that PCSO's (or Plastic Plods to give them their proper title) actually have to arrest and detain people.
Apparently they have NO authority to physically detain you and if they try to you can run off and all they can do is try to keep up....
They also have less powers/authority than specials.
Special constables have the same powers as regular officers. AFAIK the only difference is a SC cannot use his/her powers nationwide, only in their force area and neighbouring forces.
"A person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant... anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing an indictable offence." (Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 sec 24A(1)(b) as amended)
Note the precise wording: "... to be committing an indictable offence."
It does not say "... to have committed an indictable offence."
IMO the so called "security guard" did not know the OP's GF was committing any offence and therefore had no reason to hold her against her will. He would be likely be found guilty of false imprisonment and assault by a court.
The police officers comment was frankly disgraceful and from someone who should know better. The police wonder why the public are losing faith in them when they act like this.
If I were treated like this I would have no hesitation in seeking legal advice for action against the store concerned and make an official complaint against the police officer concerned.
People do not deserve to be treated like this.
Soldato
How's your girlfriend today, Riddler?
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He's suspended.
Soldato
I work with a guy who is a Special Constable and asked him about the authority that PCSO's (or Plastic Plods to give them their proper title) actually have to arrest and detain people.
Apparently they have NO authority to physically detain you and if they try to you can run off and all they can do is try to keep up....
They also have less powers/authority than specials.
It varies from force to force, but the vast majority of PCSOs do have the power to use reasonable force, same as a PC/Special as per the Police Reform Act 2002
As for 'plastic plod', you obviously read tabloid newspapers. PCSOs are a valuable resource, the intelligence they gather and reassurance they provided is second to none. Modern policing isnt just about arresting people.
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Are you serious?
It's theft unless violence is used.....
IF this was true, it would have been for theft.... go away now pls.
It's theft unless violence is used.....
IF this was true, it would have been for theft.... go away now pls.
Why do you doubt its authenticity?
Soldato
Can't swim though can they?
No it's about seeing how many drivers you can photograph....
Soldato
Your right, it's got nothing to do with arresting terrorists, paedo's, muderer's, rapists etc and bringing them to justice.
Soldato
Oh dearThe replies in this thread show why britain is in the state its in and why chavs have such free rein.
How come people here always go on about police not doing anything one minute then when they try to do a job they get complained about again. Its not as if she was beaten over the head or actually imprisoned. Good god!! Yes she was held for a few hours but does it really warrant having to try to sue the company, make formal complaints, etc, etc. If she was hurt or held overnight then fair enough but she wasnt!
Chavs get away with so much nowadays thanks to everyone being scared to get involved or try to stop them. Its people like those that have replied "Sue them" etc that have caused the problem in the first place...
and your reply shows why many Britons have no backbone when it comes to legal/consumer rights.
The lady in question being reduced to tears is enough to warrant the staff involved getting a disciplinary, even before the security guard's illegal act of imprisoning her against her will. If the Riddler's girlfriend presses, she could have a great result out of this I'm certain.
I hope you can keep the thread updated with your progress after you've served your suspension Riddler. All the best.
Soldato
Yes we know.
Eh? I never said anything about being scared to press charges if the situation warranted it. Where did I imply that?
I simply said that people were blowing this all out of proportion for financial gain as seems usual nowadays. The modern day thinking in this country is always revolving around money and suing people. I think people should be able to sue for "emotional damages" but shouldnt get money for it. They should be given free councelling if they win. I'm sure no-one would bother sueing in future if it wasnt solely for money.