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Sorry to coninue the police-bashing, but they should have done something. What is the point of sending a squad car an hour later?
In the past a group of 4 of my friends have been set on by a group of 15 sixteen-year-olds who were punching them in the face as my friend was on the phone to the police... They sent a car 60 minutes later.
Over christmas a good friend of mine gets randomly attacked by a drunken loon, witnessed by 4 people. Just after being punched in the face half a dozen times the guy walks off laughing. My mate sees a police officer patroling and gets him to arrest him, saying he wants to press charges, the witnesses back him up to the officer. The policeman then takes the drunk aggressive guy round the corner and releases him back onto the streets telling him to stay clear of the area he was. Ffs, why can't they just do their ******* job?
In the past a group of 4 of my friends have been set on by a group of 15 sixteen-year-olds who were punching them in the face as my friend was on the phone to the police... They sent a car 60 minutes later.
Over christmas a good friend of mine gets randomly attacked by a drunken loon, witnessed by 4 people. Just after being punched in the face half a dozen times the guy walks off laughing. My mate sees a police officer patroling and gets him to arrest him, saying he wants to press charges, the witnesses back him up to the officer. The policeman then takes the drunk aggressive guy round the corner and releases him back onto the streets telling him to stay clear of the area he was. Ffs, why can't they just do their ******* job?
You missed littering.
The point was that the crimes in the OP didn't require police attention. In an ideal world it would be great if police could turn up instantly for every crime like this on a Saturday night but we don't live in an ideal world.
And the OP thinks a drunk person was driving, doesn't know. Do we know this was even mentioned to police? Nope.
Stop attacking the police when you don't know if they were doing their job or not. If there had been big trouble in another area of Warwickshire then the police were doing exactly what they are told in prioritising the incidents.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7296756.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6315989.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/6992936.stm
Just a few links for the OP to read while he asks himself why he pays taxes for our evidently "useless" police service.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6315989.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/6992936.stm
Just a few links for the OP to read while he asks himself why he pays taxes for our evidently "useless" police service.
I don't think you have grasped how tough a policemans job is. You think the police are doing what? Sitting in the station watchin the footy and eating doughnuts? What happens if there has been a major RTA a few miles away, or on a motorway. Then what happens if there has been a serious assault/stabbing somewhere else, then what happens if there has been a fight in a pub and somebody has been glassed. If there are only 2-3 officers on duty and it takes a hour or two to sort out each of these problems.... you do the maths.
All of these take precidence over drunks in a car.....not to mention the officer will probably have up to 4 hours of paperwork to do for just a simple ABH or something. Then think about the crimes that have already happened and the officer needs to chase up witnesses and take statements from them.
You don't seem to understand if there was someone doing nothing pressing 5-10mins away, they would have come.
You need to stop blaming hard working coppers and start blaming the morons that decide that "only having 2 coppers running a whole district is better than 5 because it saves cash and we can swindle the figures to make it look like we're cleaning up the streets" . Ie. Labour.
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IF the police were informed that there was a possible drunk driver and rowdy youths, its was in the public interest to investigate and possibly prevent a major accident that could have ended up with the deaths of a number of people.
IF they rounded up the drunks and the rowdys and held them overnight, they wouldnt be called to incidents involving drunks fighting in pubs, stabbing each other, smashing shop windows etc etc.
Once the message got across that this will not be tolerated, they would have time to then sort the lower level crime and to police the streets effectively.
The minute you start ignoring any crime is when the scum start taking it as read that it is acceptable behavior and then before you know it, even though it IS a crime, the police suddenly "dont have the resources" or are "too busy dealing with more serious incidents" to do the rest of their jobs properly.
I understand perfectly what police do, i have known many police offers down the years and i know exactly why they dont deal with these incidents as the reasons I have posted are straight from their own mouths.
They are too busy dealing with the consequences of their previous inactions.
Have a nice day!
*edit* i am being a little unfair, they do get told what is a priority and what isnt, but the fact of the matter is, ignoring minor crime has and will always lead to a increase in major crime.
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I find it hilarious that the Police always claim lack of resources to go out to potentially violent incidents.
However putting 3-4 officers out with a speed gun on an empty stretch of road never seems to be a problem.
However putting 3-4 officers out with a speed gun on an empty stretch of road never seems to be a problem.
I agree that ignoring minor crime can contribute to major crimes and yes you are indeed right as to the fact that calls get "graded" and the officer has a certain amount of time to get to a call depending on its grade (the officers have no control of the grade).
So what do you think the police were doing when the call came out over the radio of the OP's incident? Watchin tv? Ignoring the call? Busy doing a more pressing job?
I've never seen this or heard of this. The most i've heard of is 2 coppers, but usually just the one copper. Anyway, that doesn't even matter, because if a call comes in reporting something, they have to stop using the laser gun and go to the incident.
We dont know, BUT their would have been a far higher chance of police being able (willing?) to attend had they previously done their jobs properly.
Or should i say their bosses, and their bosses political masters.
You keep saying "done their jobs properly" but you have no basis for saying this, you weren't there and you don't know what the Police officers were doing that meant they didn't arrive until they did.
Of course it's in the public interest to investigate but the point is whether they had the resources to investigate. If there was a major incident elsewhere, the police were correct to ignore the OP's situation. That's 'common sense'.
I'm sure you would chastise a doctor who leaves a person with a broken arm in pain because he busy saving a stab victims life as well?
The second paragraph is just conjecture. New York tried a zero tolerance approach to minor crime hoping it would prevent an escalation and there was little evidence this had any effect.
The rest is more conjecture. Simply put, the police try to attend every crime as quickly as possible. If they're stretched they will attend the more serious stuff as a priority. Most forms of crime are falling so I don't see what the problem is.
The OP's rant is useless without having inside information. I work for the CPS and you wouldn't believe the minor incidents that are prosecuted.
There you go. They're the people you should be annoyed at. The coppers are the foot soldiers, they do as they're told. Its the idiots up the ladder you should be annoyed at.
You work for the CPS and yet your first contribution was there was no crime to report.
If thats the case is it any wonder we are where we are?
BTW whether you like it or not your current Boss says you ARE going to be moving towards Zero Tolerance towards all the things i have mentioned, so unlucky for you, at least you will be getting some OT.
No it wasn't. My first contribution acknowledged that a crime had been committed but it wasn't one that required a police squad car to turn up within minutes on a busy Saturday night. Probably miles away from where there are genuinely serious crimes being committed.
I've got no problem with zero tolerance but it's not been proven that it prevents more serious crime. And anyway I work in the Crown Court section so I only have to deal with the serious stuff.
Almost without exception the "officers" concerned are actually civilians, and as Gaygle points out, there's usually just one of them. If you see two or more it's called training.
And as many people have pointed out, without hearing a) exactly what else the local force had to deal with, and b) exactly what the OP's 999 call said (and thus how it would be assessed by the control room) we cannot possibly do more than guess what the officers on the ground were doing or why, and therefore why that took so long to attend. Of course that's never stopped the anti-police brigade, but I digress.
The principle issue here is the British tendancy to act like a complete **** as soon as they get drunk, which diverts massive amounts of police man-power to deal with. You can't just lock the drunken idiots up, as someone suggested, because a) there's tens of thousands of them on a Friday night - far more than the available places to put them, and b) it would take the entire police force to arrest them, and it would probably spark a riot. When the Great British Public grow up a bit, then maybe the police will be free to deal with more pressing issues.
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ummm....referencing a PBS show (which as a network is highly biased) and that michael moore freak of nature don't exactly give a convincing argument....I just know that neither myself, or anyone i've EVER known (and I used to live in the ghetto) has ever had a problem getting medical help in anything....if the NHS is so great why does my wife have to wait 6 months for a dentist silly?
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It is bad here in Fife - though to be fair the few times I've had to call them out they've responded fairly quickly.
However I have noticed when finishing work at 0200 the amount of times I've been followed home by a police car is unbelievable !
Didn't know you were also in Fife Biohazard?
AAAhhh, sorry to go off topic, but I remember the days of the nightlife in Leamington...no shortage of coppers round there when you're stumbling home on the parade! Maybe Kenilworth police are too busy covering Leam lol!