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Turns out we've had GT200 all along - the 9800GX2

LoadsaMoney said:
Actually when you think about it, its not, well not imo, as if they were to sling out an all new amazing card, it would sell in droves, make them millions, and be bye, bye ATi, as everyone would be buying it up, but they don't want rid of ATi, so when ATi don't compete, they just sit back allowing them to catch up till they can, then they move forward, and so we start again, the cycle continues, as its all about keeping ATi, that is all. :)
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It's about keeping ATI? You do post some weird stuff.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Yeah it is imo, why else would they keep slowing down until they catch up, they should be killing their competitors off, not helping them.:)
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Well I very much doubt the delay is for AMD's benefit, more likely it was just better for their shareholders or there using this time to focus development on something else.
 
Keeping ati cause it would make them look good lol without any competition they would not need to look good as nvidia would be the only gpu you could buy unless some other big company came in to take them on. They would effectively have the whole market to themselves and i bet the gpu market would be even slower than it is now for new hardware coming along. I think either nvidia can't come up with much faster hardware or they don't need to atm. Time will tell though.
 
LoadsaMoney said:
Yeah it is imo, why else would they keep slowing down until they catch up, they should be killing their competitors off, not helping them.:)
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What if nvidia just came up with 8800 which was seriously fast and they are struggling to bring out anything that is a lot faster than it. You do have a lot of faith in nvidia having this brand new architecture that could wipe the floor with all we have today.
 
It isn't for AMD's benefit no, its for theirs, while AMD are here, they keep the full focus of someone else of them, who is a bigger threat to them, and we all know who that is. :)
 
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Without amd it would not really matter how they perform though as there is no real alternative to nvidia bar amd. So no amd nvidia have complete control for me it would make more sense if nvidia have the killer gpu just to blow amd out of the water and get rid of them. Most good businesses usually put the competition out of comission then buy them over so they take the competition away not try to keep them in the business taking away there custom.
 
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If they wanted to kill off ATi they would have done it with their 8800's when they released those, as ATi were still on their last gen x1950's then, but they let them down imo, the 8800's could/should have been so much more, and they had a great chance with them (a good 6 months), but they didn't take it, they just went away, canning driver support etc... until ATi's next gen was about a week away from release, they should be ashamed of themselves for letting a great card like that down.

Then theres the 9800's, they would not have been delayed, they would have come out on time, around June 2007, and the 9800 GTX would have been faster, also these 9900 Core 2 Duo's, they would also have been and gone by now as well probably, but no, while ATi were struggling they decided to push everything back and wait for them, then when the R600's finally appeared, and they saw they couldn't compete, they brought out their 9800 GTX refresh for some extra coinage (as with 8800's being out so long, their prices fell, as is what happens), but they made it slower, which as every ones know shouldn't have been, as a refresh should be faster, not slower, and now that AMD have their next refresh card coming out to actually compete, as it should be faster than Nvidia's 8800's/9800 refresh, they are now doing it right, and thats by releasing a faster refresh, the upcoming 9900 Core 2 Duo's. :)
 
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LoadsaMoney said:
It isn't for AMD's benefit no, its for theirs, while AMD are here, they keep the full focus of someone else of them, who is a bigger threat to them, and we all know who that is. :)
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Well it remains to be seen if intel will really challenge them, intel are capable but it's likely they will just produce mainstream cards.
 
well personally its seems nvidia like amd,it gives them something to beat.

nvidia is faster than ati(more ppl buy nvidia) =more cash for nvidia

then there the catch up game....

ati catch up on performance(how ever long it takes)

nvidia release a card thats just a bit faster,a refresh call it what u like probably cheap to make i imagine(than a whole new card)

that pockets them more money.

thats what its all about for nvidia at the end of the day.

im sure ati would and will do the same in that situation,makes sense to me.

cant see it being to much fun if ati or nvidia made a gfx card that could play and game max res,with 100x AA at 1000fps,benchmarks would be a good start but we all would end up the with the same kind of scores :)

that would not make nvidia /ati as much money in the long term.

would be nice to see intel get in the high end gfx department though.

quad on board gfx ...Qgfx6600 anyone :) :)
 
of course they can beat their current cards. if they were stuck in a dead loop, then its bs, they are just holding out for more money.

all it is, is milk milk milk.. squeeze more nvidia i think that cow is starting to get bloody dry :mad:
 
The enemy of my enemy is my friend? Maybe that's why nVidia is keeping AMD alive.

nVidia is really ****** at Intel aiming to turn graphics rendering from rasterisation to raytracing, a move which, if successful, will spell the end for nVidia (they don't have enough of the right kind of engineers, or the fab plants/proccess technology to compete)
 
Perfect_Chaos said:
of course they can beat their current cards. if they were stuck in a dead loop, then its bs, they are just holding out for more money.

all it is, is milk milk milk.. squeeze more nvidia i think that cow is starting to get bloody dry :mad:
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Exactly. If they've not got the competition then there's no point in them spending extra cash to release new "uber" cards. There's no "oh, we'd best not put ATI out of business" malarky going on.
 
Aekeron said:
Exactly. If they've not got the competition then there's no point in them spending extra cash to release new "uber" cards. There's no "oh, we'd best not put ATI out of business" malarky going on.
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No competition = no sales.
They will have already spent a fortune R&D.
They cant put AMD out of business, and wouldn't want to, somone like Intel or maybe Samsung would wipe the floor with them.


If ATI went out of business it would ruin Nvidia and leave a huge whole in a market that's already grinding to a halt and being look on by big conpanys with envious eyes. Nvidia have no choice now, they must stop trying to second guess ATI and take the fight to them.
If they sit back for much longer then i feel they run a huge risk of leaving themselfs in no man's land, ATI only have to stop all R&D, cut all spending to a minium and hibernate till after christmas then all Nvidia's R&D from 2006 will be worthless.
Milking the g80 to a certian extent was the right thing to do, but they have done this for far too long now and only a fool would consider this anything more than a very short-term direction for any company to go in , even more so now that Intel are about to step into the CPU market, the only place for Nvidia in future might be the high end so they must try and cement a place for themself before it's to late.
 
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