David Icke has quite the following in the US and gets airtime on coastocoastam, the most listened to nighttime talk show in the US, which is focused on conspiracy / fringe theory guests (and sometimes has interesting people and scientists like Michio Kaku and so on as well as mostly cynics trying to sell their latest codded up conspiracy book to the intellectually impoverished trailer trash desperate for meaning beyond the four walls of their ‘static tourer’ and roadkill dinners). I have heard Icke on there and he is a complete loon, the queen and george bush are lizards apparently, not an old lady born into a tradition and a retard elevated by nepotism and money. I think the yanks are better able to buy into him because they didn't see him profess to be the son of god on wogan!
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More like a genuis, he's worth a fortune all for a bit of ridicule.
There is a 'theory' that when he says lizards, he means jews. I'm not sure what difference that makes though
There is a 'theory' that when he says lizards, he means jews. I'm not sure what difference that makes though
Jon Ronson explores this hypothesis in Them: Adventures with Extremists (2001).
Icke claims that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are a legitimate document, though he insists that they refer to the "Lizard Illuminati", not Jews.
It's a pretty pathetic defence, even for Icke. I mean, if you were going to present evidence for the existence of Lizard Illuminati, the Protocols would have to be the last document on Earth that you'd turn to.
The Protocols were written for one purpose only - and proving the existence of Lizard Illuminati isn't it.
More like a genuis, he's worth a fortune all for a bit of ridicule.
There is a 'theory' that when he says lizards, he means jews. I'm not sure what difference that makes though
Yes, I am sure he's made a few quid from his books and lectures. Should keep him in magenta jumpsuits, shamanic drugs and zyclon B.
Have heard about the anti-jewish elements of his theories before and it seems he has backed off it a bit, presumably to keep the book sales coming. he can sound reasonably erudite and lucid for a time and then comes out with things that are so prepostorous and clearly way off.
I suppose better a first rate fringe prophet, zenophobic, lizard hater than a second rate goal keeper. well, actually may be not
There is a 'theory' that when he says lizards, he means jews. I'm not sure what difference that makes though
There isn't a theory about that at all. It was an attempted smear campaign done against him to try and discredit him and brand him a racist/nazi.
Strange how the only place this 'theory' was propagated was in a mainstream documentary involving some leftist group with about 6 members and the help of the ADF.
The documentary called "David Icke - The Lizards and the Jews" can be found on the internet. Here's a synapsis of it
David Icke said:
Here's a clip of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOESbjdwTRI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMlFFQ2oqQ
WeAreChange.org.uk interview Phillip Hayton about why the BBC reported building 7 collapsed 23 minutes before it actualy did and also show video of the building collapsing to a demolitions expert who says it's a defintely a controlled demolition. They also put to Phillip Hayton that The National Institute Of Science and Technology state that even the most plausible reason for tower 7 collapsing is highly unlikely and it was most likely controlled demolition.
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See above post.
Ronson writes about this incident in his book, so I know all about it. But the link with the Protocols is made by Icke himself in his own publications, and cannot be so easily dismissed.
CNN, Fox and several other media organisations all made the same claim. Did they interview these guys as well, or just the BBC?
False.
NIST has released a video and still-photo analysis of 7 World Trade Center before its collapse that appears to indicate a greater degree of structural damage from falling debris than originally assumed by FEMA. Specifically, NIST's interim report on 7 World Trade Center displays photographs of the southwest façade of the building that show it to have significant damage.
The report also highlights a 10-story gash in the center of the south façade, toward the bottom, extending approximately a quarter of the way into the interior.
A unique aspect of the design of 7 World Trade Center was that each outer structural column was responsible for supporting 2,000 sq ft (186 m²) of floor space, suggesting that the simultaneous removal of a number of columns severely compromised the structure's integrity.
Consistent with this theory, news footage shows cracking and bowing of the building's east wall immediately before the collapse, which began at the penthouse floors.
In video of the collapse, taken from the north by CBS News and other news media, the first visible sign of collapse is movement in the east penthouse 8.2 seconds before the north wall began to collapse, which took at least another 7 seconds.
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The hypothesis, which was reiterated in a June 2007 status update, is that an initial failure in a critical column occurred below the 13th floor, caused by damage from fire and/or debris from the collapse of the two main towers.
The collapse progressed vertically up to the east mechanical penthouse. The interior structure was unable to handle the redistributed load, resulting in horizontal progression of the failure across lower floors, particularly the 5th to 7th floors. This resulted in "a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure."
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NIST states it has "found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event".
Wikipedia.
Best theory ever:
"It's a known fact, Sonny Jim,
that a secret society...
...of the five wealthiest people,
known as the Pentavirate...
...run everything in the world,
including the newspapers...
...and meet tri-annually at a secret
mansion in Colorado known as...
-..."The Meadows."
-Who's in the Pentavirate?
The Queen, the Vatican,
the Gettys, the Rothschilds...
...and Colonel Sanders,
before he went ****-up
I hated the Colonel,
with his wee beady eyes...
...and that smug look on his face.
"You're gonna buy my chicken. Oh!"
Dad, how can you hate the Colonel?
He puts addictive chemicals
in chicken...
...making you crave it fortnightly,
smart-ass!"
Name that film
"It's a known fact, Sonny Jim,
that a secret society...
...of the five wealthiest people,
known as the Pentavirate...
...run everything in the world,
including the newspapers...
...and meet tri-annually at a secret
mansion in Colorado known as...
-..."The Meadows."
-Who's in the Pentavirate?
The Queen, the Vatican,
the Gettys, the Rothschilds...
...and Colonel Sanders,
before he went ****-up
I hated the Colonel,
with his wee beady eyes...
...and that smug look on his face.
"You're gonna buy my chicken. Oh!"
Dad, how can you hate the Colonel?
He puts addictive chemicals
in chicken...
...making you crave it fortnightly,
smart-ass!"
Name that film
No they just decided to change there official version of what happened. I wonder if any pressure was applied to them?
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Happen to have a link to these phots and video? The only one I can find is this one :-
Yes a blurrred photo from ABC news, that overides the opinion of many independant structual engineers and demolition experts.
They didn't change anything! Where's your proof that they "decided to change their official version of what happened"? There's no proof, because they didn't change it.
Happen to have a link to these phots and video? The only one I can find is this one :-
Yes a blurrred photo from ABC news, that overides the opinion of many independant structual engineers and demolition experts.
How so?
So would I if I'd had to field a few hundred conspiracy calls already.
Why didn't they call CNN, Fox, or any of the other media organisations which carried the same report? I keep asking this question, but you keep avoiding it.
Maybe because there's plenty of footage of her standing right in front of the building saying it's collapsed 20 minutes before it did.
You have any links to the CNN, Fox reports of the building collapsing before it did?
Where has anything i've said been irrational or even debunked as impossible?
All you can say is that we don't know for a fact what their agenda is but these groups certainly exist and trends in the western world plus the state of the system seems to go along with some of the theories, and those logical flaws you claim, when someone has posted what they thought i expanded on what could be going on, then i thought it was time i showed a few clips for you all to find questionable yourself, even magick then followed up with some decent info on the group.
I certainly don't share a belief in most of the rubbish on the subject but when faced with some real questionable stuff i can't totally deny it and walk away, if theres anything in it then i will be open while trying to keep some reason and scepticism, perhaps i do play devils advocate a bit to get my point across and make others question whats going on as well but i only do it because most wouldn't look let alone think outside the box otherwise.
Anyway here is what I wanted everyone to see, now tell me if you think this a good thing, honestly? no conflict of interests let alone being downright bizarre, especially considering a guy like bush actually won a second time even with suspicious voting issues but that's another thing...
The trouble with conspiracy theories is the amount of obvious rubbish and how people managed to form so many links, however if you look at certain things on their own it seems bad enough, for instance watch this short (30 sec) video where bush and kerry admit to being in a secret society, no not one guy running for president but two are in da club and what a nice name it has too!
There's a few 'clubs' like that where people of high positions in government and business can join, they even go on big days out together sometimes and get up to questionable stuff, though its ok im sure because its all just a bit of harmless fun!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7348698445374958940
and just for fun...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5WoLnOOlU
She wasn't "right in front of the building"; you can see from the photo that she's actually in another building, several blocks away:
Not immediately to hand, but it is well documented that these reports were made. See the post here.