Students...all ****ers?

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Voltar said:
Allow me to clear up the misconceptions in this thread:

1. The students to whom you refer are indeed how you portray them; binge drinking, inconsiderate chimps.
2. Many have little or no desire to do any work whatsoever.
3. Many end up racking up huge debts and are not at all carefull.

a) Why do we have so many problems with students?
New Labour. 'Lets make ever ****wit in the country go to uni' "yeah good idea"
So basically we have loads of universities which are catering to less able people. University is full of chavs and commoners which is why students behave like this. As a direct result of New Labour, we few who conduct ourselves with decency, who are independent, who study etc. are being punished by all of the meat heads who now slip through the net.
The courses themselves are affected directly by the influx of less able students: many top courses are now dumbed down in the first two years in order to cater for those who have little or no brain and who are more concerned with going out and ending up in intensive care.
Now, IF university was still elitist (academically) and didn't have to accept every cat and dog and give them all loans and be constantly trying to make inane documents covering for their PC patrons, we might just be able to avoid this all.
In short, too many commoners going to uni in general+ more crappy universities being created as a result= more chav-like behavious from students.

As many of you will know, most of the hippies at uni tend to be commoners or champagne socialists: 'free education, free this and free that' STFU ffs. I am fed up with the people allowed into top universities and indeed universities in general because it debases our degrees and our educations. Furthermore the demeanour of these 'new students' is remembered and the rest of us have to be persecuted by the public at large.

Then again, it's not just students getting lashed up in the local wetherspoons or the cheapest clubs is it?
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Sorry to be blunt but you disgust me, you refer to "commoners" as scum basically.
I'm probably what you would consider a commoner and what I did to get through uni not many people would do.
You're basically saying uni is for boring geeks with rich parents who know nothing about hard labour except what gets done in their head?
Sorry mate, but it doesn't work like that, it's the minority that are lazy. Very few people who get into uni aren't actually chavs, chavs are people who go on the dole asap, have loads of scummy kids and drink cider outside shops, why would they go to uni?
They don't, not many do anyway.

I came from what you would consider a commoner family, my parents worked damn hard for what they got, so did I, doesn't mean we don't stop for fun, I've always liked a drink and some drugs and whatnot, i'm not a relaxed dinner party kind of guy, never will be I hope.

So sir reginald reginald go to your elitist group of boring freinds and laugh at people for coming from a lower social class.

Sorry if I seem a bit harsh but it sounds like you're having a dig at anyone who isn't a hooray henry study hard, all work no play kind of person.
 
Voltar said:
Allow me to clear up the misconceptions in this thread:

1. The students to whom you refer are indeed how you portray them; binge drinking, inconsiderate chimps.
2. Many have little or no desire to do any work whatsoever.
3. Many end up racking up huge debts and are not at all carefull.

a) Why do we have so many problems with students?
New Labour. 'Lets make ever ****wit in the country go to uni' "yeah good idea"
So basically we have loads of universities which are catering to less able people. University is full of chavs and commoners which is why students behave like this. As a direct result of New Labour, we few who conduct ourselves with decency, who are independent, who study etc. are being punished by all of the meat heads who now slip through the net.
The courses themselves are affected directly by the influx of less able students: many top courses are now dumbed down in the first two years in order to cater for those who have little or no brain and who are more concerned with going out and ending up in intensive care.
Now, IF university was still elitist (academically) and didn't have to accept every cat and dog
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Agreed up until this point. University should, by definition be academically elitist.

and give them all loans and be constantly trying to make inane documents covering for their PC patrons, we might just be able to avoid this all.
In short, too many commoners going to uni in general+ more crappy universities being created as a result= more chav-like behavious from students.

As many of you will know, most of the hippies at uni tend to be commoners or champagne socialists: 'free education, free this and free that' STFU ffs. I am fed up with the people allowed into top universities and indeed universities in general because it debases our degrees and our educations. Furthermore the demeanour of these 'new students' is remembered and the rest of us have to be persecuted by the public at large.

Then again, it's not just students getting lashed up in the local wetherspoons or the cheapest clubs is it?
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But that part is complete BS. Perhaps I'm one of these "commoners" that you're banging on about. It's bloody toffs like yourself that really annoy me. What gives you more right to a decent education that someone from a less wealthy family? What's wrong with student loans? Students used to get grants!

I worked hard at school, I work hard now at uni, but I won't have people like you generalise all "commoners" as binge drinking lauts who don't give a stuff. I enjoy myself at uni, but I like to think that I'm here for a reason.
 
I love out loads of you are saying students are lazy.

I've got a part time job. I've just finished a week of exams and worked my arse off for the past month revising for them.

Question, if you're one of the people who are ripping in to students and didn't go to uni yourself are you sure you're not jealous of them? They're enjoying themselves and getting a good qualification while your working at a bar, hating your job.
 
There are thousands of students so the chances of some of them being lazy and retarded are quite high. As people from a wide range of backgrounds can be students now i don;t believe you can generalise to the extent some people have in this thread. Even 20-30 years ago thickos went to uni and the government paid for all of it and i am sure there were some slobbish students then too.
 
For the people *cough Voltar cough* who seem to have an issue with students who campaign for free uni - remember that not so long ago uni was indeed significantly less expensive. Interestingly, back then, you didn't have so many people going and certainly had far fewer people wasting their time on mickey mouse courses.
 
p4radox said:
Perhaps I'm one of these "commoners" that you're banging on about. It's bloody toffs like yourself that really annoy me. What gives you more right to a decent education that someone from a less wealthy family? What's wrong with student loans? Students used to get grants!

I worked hard at school, I work hard now at uni, but I won't have people like you generalise all "commoners" as binge drinking lauts who don't give a stuff. I enjoy myself at uni, but I like to think that I'm here for a reason.
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I found it funny since when did being a 'commoner' have anything to do with IQ?
I also agree, Toffs are the problem in the way that you suggest, being all elitist thinking that they can do what they like, and Uni should be for themselves and rich brats alike.

Toffs are also the absolute morons who give students the bad names IMHO.
Bunch of absolutely moronic southern prats who have spent too much time playing with each other in the shower after rugby, waxing their hair up like they are in busted, dont forget the highlights, and then starching the collars of their favourite rugby tops so they stay up, oh and checking to see if its warm enough to wear flipflops.
Always loud, always *look at me look at me*, cant clear up after themselves, too used to the nanny/maid/full time mother or housewife picking up after them.
They then proceed to get absolutely wasted because they dont seem to be able to handle their drink, and act a bit gay, or start fights and what not, because they want everybody to look at them to show how much better they are..


Does anyone know any chavs at uni? I know I dont. Its the southerners that are the problem at mine.
 
"andy" said:
example of why students are great http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DAKDJcNUDaE
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not actually all that class, wasnt that long ago that in my home town a few people had some fun with someone they thoguht was 'drunk' and passed out, she died during the fun. Although they went a little further and wee'd on her, these guys have teabagged etc and this person could infact need medical attention.

If it was a friend fair doos it would be funny, but this is a random person and im fairly sure they are just assuming he was passed out drunk and didnt have any medical conditions.
 
seek said:
I've been one myself, and I've lived with more than 20 in shared houses to date.

But the absolute vast majority still come across to me as inconsiderate, selfish and immature. And often (as house mates) loud and dirty too. In fact I'm not sure I'd happily live with any of them again given the choice. Even the good ones were only tolerable, rather than decent.

Discuss.
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Maybe the reason is because no other students will live with them!!???
 
richard104 said:
i cant stand you, but then i might give you a chance as i don't know you...
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.... I'm confused by your post, of the students I've met they have fallen into the categories I've stated, I'm sure I don't need to pad out my post to state the obvious, which is I don't believe EVERY single student is horrible, just the majority I've met
 
I've probably lived with 12 tossers and 2 decent housemates, one randomly assigned in my first year and the other my mate now.

I'm about to finish my final year and we got ourselves a two bedroom private flat the other end of the city to the university, where prices are much cheaper and the area much, much nicer. We're both fairly quiet, like photography and going down the pub without getting trashed. We go out on the bikes together nearly every day, so lots in common with similar lifestyles.

Essentially, a fair few students can be immature and a minority inconsiderate, but it takes a saint to live together witout rancour.
 
swearies in that video - quite a lot but it has students in it so figures.

random person and im fairly sure they are just assuming he was passed out drunk and didnt have any medical conditions.
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why should they let a little thing like that spoil their fun? they were pretty brave behind that window eh
 
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Why is everybody saying students don't do any work.

Lazy? what doing an hour or two of lectures a day. What do you think happens when deadlines come? Of course students do work, they just wait until the deadline is near, then do work. and have fun the rest of the time.

It may look like all students do is drink all the time, and yes that makes up for a fair bit of my life, but i still complete my deadlines and revise for my exams.

And even when i am getting smashed on a night out, doesn't make me any less passionate about my course.
 
Voltar said:
so we agree. eventually ;)

the usage of loans however, in my books represents a certain lack of maturity amongst students as many have said to me: 'why don't you get one? It's pretty much free money after all...' :rolleyes:
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You're a fool if you don't want to take free money.

Voltar said:
6k per year? You're aving a laugh mate. That's the max isn't it? They are means tested too which means I'd probably not get that much.... Bursaries and hardship funds are means tested too.
I'd not have access to these irrespective of whether I recieve a ton of family funding or not (the case is that I don't).
But if it were possible to attain the highest loans poss as well as other benefits then yes Tefal I'd agree with you immediately.
However, with means testing I personally would be ineligible.
Plus my fees are normal and not the new topped up ones. So 1.1k per year still or thereabouts.
And no need to be sarky "far more mature to live by the skin of you're (poor grammar) teeth."
Surely it's more responsible to not accrue debts?
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My parents income total is over the £30k threshold and I get £3k maintenance loan every year. So far I've been putting it in an ISA and watching it grow. Next year I'm moving out and using the past two years loans to help afford it. I get zero financial help from my parents because they cannot afford to. I don't mind that but it annoys me that I have to pay it back when others get it as a grant. We both get the same amount from parents so shouldn't we both pay back the same amount.

What's wrong with getting student debt? It's money in your bank so unless you spend it it's not really debt. You pay back the money from your wages. Just pretend it comes out of your bank instead of your wage slip and you get the interest - loan interest for free.
 
malc30 said:
I can throw stones at our college it's that close & they invade our park in the Summer.
I'd say 85% of them are complete idiots & 15% are sound interesting & intelligent people.
Having said that though i have found wherever i have been to be the same, I think that percentage holds true throughout the World.
85% of people in this World are complete Idiots/Sheep/****heads & 15% are interesting & intelligent.
Some of these students come into the park & jump about on the kiddys roundabout & swings like retards until I tell them to **** off. Those that don't use the kiddys play area sit on the grass & literally just get up & walk away when they are finished leaving a circle of there Trash, Complete Skum bags & they are s'posed to be the well brought up kids from the nicer estates.
I can Honestly say that the Students cause Much more trouble & damage to the park than any of the local chavs.
Obvious benefits though are getting a shed load of young hottys strolling past my house from 9am onwards & absolutely reams of them sunbathe in our park.
One thing i will say though is if at any time i have had to deal with the students directly they have Always been reasonable.
If chavs are wrecking the play area i have to threaten to batter them before they leave where as students only need a strong Oi You **** OFF & they leave no prob.
I am a live & let live kind of guy though & only object to them invading the fenced off young kiddy area. If they are just chilling on the swings i ignore them but if they are being lairy i **** them off out of there with Insults like How kin old are you for ***** sake.
I'll finish off by saying i don't dislike students though & have no prejudice against them. I worked over Cov uni years ago on campus & had a Blast, I am jealous of the guys that are at Uni, They are young, They should be going places & they are surrounded by young intelligent women, What more do you want at that age apart from a few substances/partys & condoms :D
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I don't suppose you live in Hinckley do you?
 
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