BioShock for PS3

NokkonWud · 23 May 2008 at 19:16

Ulfhedjinn said:
I see someone already addressed this for me.

This is what I was suspecting too, but I was trying not to be cynical. I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt and let them explain to me how an exclusive is not an exclusive, but they couldn't seem to.

It was explained. There was even a link to a media site where the developers said as much. Guess it's a case of ignorance is bliss.

Darkwave · 23 May 2008 at 19:18

NokkonWud said:
It was explained. There was even a link to a media site where the developers said as much. Guess it's a case of ignorance is bliss.

No, I got a list of Google links that said "360 Exclusive" or "PC/360 Exclusive" without clarification as to whether the authors meant exclusive (period) or exclusive to console platforms. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that's open to interpretation.

NokkonWud · 23 May 2008 at 19:19

There's a post that's not to Google. It's to CVG in an interview with a guy behind Bioshock.

mr.sly · 23 May 2008 at 19:21

NokkonWud said:
What? That makes no sense at all?
I'm not a 360 fanboy and it's always been the case.

You'll find Final Fantasy VII is still classed as exclusive to Sony Playstation even though it's on PC. That was the case when it came out and it's the case now. It's not just one sided. You've been pedantic then ridiculous all in one thread. A little bit of intelligence goes a long way.

I never called you a fanboy or any sort, 360 or PS3. Guilt maybe?

Final Fantasy VII was released a full year ahead of the PC version, that is why it was classed as an exclusive, the same way Gears of War *was* a 360 exclusive.

I don't see how I'm being ridiculous, I just don't believe a game is an exclusive to the 360, just because it's not on the PS3. If a game is out on the PC and 360, and someone buys the PC version, Microsoft lose money and to me thats competition.

Darkwave · 23 May 2008 at 19:23

NokkonWud said:
There's a post that's not to Google. It's to CVG in an interview with a guy behind Bioshock.

I just read the article in question and he says...

Joe McDonagh said:
Obviously we need to give as many people as possible access to our game. However, this is an Xbox 360 exclusive and it's coming out on PC.

Obviously he means console exclusive that is coming out on PC.

While I'm here, you did not address my point in this post.

NokkonWud · 23 May 2008 at 19:39

It's still a games market and money for a developer. However I've never seen any developer ever actively say that the PC market is competition to a console market, nor has it ever been the case.

Unless I'm misunderstood, that's saying the console market is 86% of the games market (with PC being 14%).

Darkwave · 23 May 2008 at 19:43

NokkonWud said:
It's still a games market and money for a developer. However I've never seen any developer ever actively say that the PC market is competition to a console market, nor has it ever been the case.

Unless I'm misunderstood, that's saying the console market is 86% of the games market (with PC being 14%).

Doug Lombardi of Valve said just the other day that the PC is a competitive gaming platform.

I have even linked you to this once.

NokkonWud · 23 May 2008 at 19:49

Doug Lombardi would, he's heavily involved with Steam, which he makes money from. His whole infrastructure is based around a platform on the PC.
What's he gonna say? I also believe The Orange Box sold pretty massively on Xbox360 and PS3.

Let's look at it another way, Epic, makers of the most popular gaming engines going and company based in the roots of PC gaming have said the console market is the real market.

mr.sly · 23 May 2008 at 19:51

NokkonWud said:
Doug Lombardi would, he's heavily involved with Steam, which he makes money from. His whole infrastructure is based around a platform on the PC.
What's he gonna say? I also believe The Orange Box sold pretty massively on Xbox360 and PS3.

Let's look at it another way, Epic, makers of the most popular gaming engines going and company based in the roots of PC gaming have said the console market is the real market.

I'm just going to quote you here, becase this post is insane...

"A little bit of intelligence goes a long way."

Darkwave · 23 May 2008 at 19:54

NokkonWud said:
Doug Lombardi would, he's heavily involved with Steam, which he makes money from. His whole infrastructure is based around a platform on the PC.
What's he gonna say? I also believe The Orange Box sold pretty massively on Xbox360 and PS3.

So, basically, your only retort is "he's biased/lying". Do you have any intention of discussing this reasonably?

NokkonWud said:
Let's look at it another way, Epic, makers of the most popular gaming engines going and company based in the roots of PC gaming have said the console market is the more profitable market.

Fixed that for you, and Crytek have said the same too if it makes you feel better.

We all know that the PC market is less profitable (14% of the market according to NPD Group, not counting digital downloads), that's not what is being debated. This is about whether the PC market is in competition, and it is.

NokkonWud · 23 May 2008 at 19:59

He is being bias, there is no doubt about that, but in the same situation I would be - anyone would be.

I've discussed it sensibly, steam is an infrastructure on PC's to get games to the consumers eliminating the shops and he's heavily involved with that, so he is going to say it's a platform. He's hardly going to say it's not..

Thanks for correcting me, that's what I meant but couldn't think of the word 'profit' which is what I wanted to use instead of "makes money from" in the other paragraph

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Sareth · 23 May 2008 at 19:59

mr.sly · 23 May 2008 at 20:01

NokkonWud said:
I've discussed it sensibly, steam is an infrastructure on PC's to get games to the consumers eliminating the shops and he's heavily involved with that, so he is going to say it's a platform. He's hardly going to say it's not..

Are you now trying to say the PC *isn't* a platform?

Darkwave · 23 May 2008 at 20:05

NokkonWud said:
He is being bias, there is no doubt about that, but in the same situation I would be - anyone would be.

I've discussed it sensibly, steam is an infrastructure on PC's to get games to the consumers eliminating the shops and he's heavily involved with that, so he is going to say it's a platform. He's hardly going to say it's not..

He probably is biased, all developers protect their interests, but he obviously believes that PC gaming is competitive or he would send his C.V. off to some console developer instead. From the things he says in the rest of the interview about Valve's philosophy it's clear to me that he does believe in the company.

You said you've never seen a games developer talking about the PC gaming platform being in competition, now you have. It's about as simple as it can get really since it's right there.

NokkonWud · 23 May 2008 at 20:16

mr.sly said:
Are you now trying to say the PC *isn't* a platform?

You know that's not what I mean, you're so pedantic that it's going to be hard to ever take you seriously.

NokkonWud · 23 May 2008 at 20:18

Ulfhedjinn said:
You said you've never seen a games developer talking about the PC gaming platform being in competition, now you have. It's about as simple as it can get really since it's right there.

Okay, now I have. But his business is based around Steam.
If you look at an open company who can attack all fronts, they're trying to get their products into the console market.

Darkwave · 23 May 2008 at 20:22

NokkonWud said:
Okay, now I have. But his business is based around Steam.

I'm not sure what Steam has to do with this. If anything the Steam platform, and digital content delivery in general, make the PC gaming platform more competitive than it would be without. Not to mention they use digital content delivery on consoles as well (Xbox Live Arcade, for example).

NokkonWud said:
If you look at an open company who can attack all fronts, they're trying to get their products into the console market.

Again, I am not really sure how this is relevant. As long as they continue to make games for the PC platform then it doesn't really matter to me what other platforms their titles appear on.

NokkonWud · 23 May 2008 at 20:24

Ulfhedjinn said:
I'm not sure what Steam has to do with this.

If anything the Steam platform, and digital content delivery in general, make the PC gaming platform more competitive than it would be without. Not to mention they use digital content delivery on consoles as well (Xbox Live Arcade, for example).

Again, I am not really sure how this is relevent. As long as they continue to make games for the PC platform then it doesn't really matter to me what other platforms their titles appear on.

You're not getting my point obviously.
His whole business plan is based around digital content delivery through Steam, so he's going to say the PC market competes with Consoles isn't he? It's obvious. His interests are with digital content through a PC ONLY service. Purely from a business POV he's going to be bias.

Darkwave · 23 May 2008 at 20:31

NokkonWud said:
His whole business plan is based around digital content delivery through Steam, so he's going to say the PC market competes with Consoles isn't he?

It's obvious. His interests are with digital content through a PC ONLY service. Purely from a business POV he's going to be bias.

You pointed out yourself that Valve also put their games on consoles, so I am not sure how you're coming to this conclusion. It might also interest you to know that Valve originally went to Microsoft (and Yahoo!) with proposals for building the Steam platform before deciding to build it themselves (link).

Not only that but Valve have been going for about twelve years, and only for about five years have they had Steam. They also still sell their games in physical/boxed format, so Steam is not really their whole business plan.

Either way, his bias is not what is being debated here. All businesses are biased in some way.

mr.sly · 23 May 2008 at 20:32

NokkonWud said:
You're not getting my point obviously.
His whole business plan is based around digital content delivery through Steam, so he's going to say the PC market competes with Consoles isn't he? It's obvious. His interests are with digital content through a PC ONLY service. Purely from a business POV he's going to be bias.

He's going to say the PC market is competition with consoles because he has the ability to think.

competition: the effort of two or more parties acting independently to secure the business of a third party by offering the most favourable terms

PC is trying to secure the same business as the 360 or PS3. If you try and say they aren’t, then you can't class the 360 and PS3 as the same market either, which would make all games exclusive.